Towards A Change Of Regime In Venezuela?

[Videoskooter]

Yesterday, 1 Million people have protested against president Chavez in the streets of Caracas and shouted their support for presidential candidate Manuel Rosales for the forthcoming elections on December the 3rd.

They want to end the, what they call, Cuban based communist and totalitarian politics and they also want to prevent Chavez' plan to become president for life.

Chavez himself has already claimed he wants to stay till 2021. The government prevented press-helicopters flying over the capital as they want to censor the impact of the mass demonstration which proves that Chavez is slightly becoming nervous and is starting to step up dictatorial politics.

Although analists don't think that he will be defeated this time, they are predicting that the Castro-copycat is loosing his grip and will be removed in the near future.

[Boodikka]

"Although analists..."
Ah, Video...your mind is always in the gutter .

I'm not a fan of Chavez (although the cheap gas is a PR coup). I don't think anyone else will be allowed to win in Venezuela, if you catch my drift.

[paul]

Well, I remain a huge fan and supporter of President Chavez. Given what I've read about this man and the challenges he faces from the various power structures within and outside Venezuala's, his resolve is admirable.
I wish him and ALL the people of Venezuela the best!

[paul]

Also,
below is an excerpt and link to an interview. Independent journalist Greg Palast interviews President Chavez.

"Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal-a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro- hugging anti-Christ."

ZNet |Venezuela | Hugo Chavez

[Nano]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

Although analists don't think that he will be defeated this time, they are predicting that the Castro-copycat is loosing his grip and will be removed in the near future.

Don't you wish!

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

Also,
below is an excerpt and link to an interview. Independent journalist Greg Palast interviews President Chavez.

"Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal-a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro- hugging anti-Christ."

Close to Roosevelt's??? There is one ignorant leftist born everyday , that's for sure poor useful fools

Is funny how now this modern leftists failures don't want to be associated any longer with the failures of the past (Castro) now they want to compare themselves to Roosevelt Hillarious!!!!

Apparently Chavez (or who ever wrote that quote) thinks all peoples of the world are as ignorant and defenseless as the exploited subjugated recipients of his dictatorial ways. Think again fools!!!!

"Despite Chávez's billions toward social programs, poverty, joblessness and problems with the healthcare system continue to dog Venezuela. Drug trafficking is on the rise, and graft has almost turned into a sport. Transparency International, a European watchdog group, said this month that Venezuela is the second most-corrupt nation in this hemisphere, behind Haiti. Crime is consistently ranked as one of Venezuelans' top concerns."

MiamiHerald.com | 11/26/2006 | Win would push Chávez closer to socialist dream

I'm afraid Venezuelans are stuck with this disguised dictator unless they remove him by force, ( they need another Pinochet!!) already he controls all institutions of power and shuts down any news media that criticizes his government under a new law his cronies enacted.


In many Job centers (I.E. oil industry) if you don’t vote and/or support Chavez you’ll be terminated and kicked out in the streets, (captured on under covered film/audio) this is directly taken from a Castro’s play book.

Chavistas corrupt Leftists cronies are destroying that country and enriching them selves in the process, pretty soon there will be nothing left , and then they’ll move to Cuba to enjoy the fruit of their labor and watch from a distance the destruction they left behind..

[paul]

Mix, how nice it is to get reaquainted with you on these topics.
The Roosevelt comparison is a fair comparison. I read the your link from the Miami Herald and many of the policies attributed to Chavez would compared favorably to what FDR did.
If he was a dictator, why would he even allow an election? As for the media outlets, from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time. The media there supported his attempted overthrow and were a constant source of anti-Chavez propaganda. They can still do it but now they have to allow opposition voices! If there are any Venezualans here or those closer to this, please feel free add or change this.
As for corruption and drugs, Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm sure Chavez wants that gone without resorting to well, dictatorial measures!
The rest of your rhetoric sounds Karl Rovian. If they don't elect the other guy they'd be unemployed and kick out in the streets. Kinda like if you don't elect Bush and the rest of the repugs we'll be fightin' Al Qeada in our backyards!

[Mixmachine]

[quote=paul;110643]Mix, how nice it is to get reaquainted with you on these topics.

If he was a dictator, why would he even allow an election?

Castro also allows elections, only He's the only candidate and if you oppose his views your are either shot dead or thrown in jail.

As for the media outlets, from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time. The media there supported his attempted overthrow and were a constant source of anti-Chavez propaganda. They can still do it but now they have to allow opposition voices! If there are any Venezualans here or those closer to this, please feel free add or change this.

By definition anything the opposition (any where) says or prints will be anti- government, that's why they are called the opposition! if the 'Government' enacts any laws that says that printing or broadcasting any anti-government comments is not permitted for what ever reason, then in essence you are silencing the opposition and guarantying your re-election, See how that logic works ??? Oh , Wait!!! , you are a Leftist and therefore have no sense or logic!! Never mind didn't mean to confuse you to badly

The rest of your rhetoric sounds Karl Rovian. If they don't elect the other guy they'd be unemployed and kick out in the streets. Kinda like if you don't elect Bush and the rest of the repugs we'll be fightin' Al Qeada in our backyards!

Really? that’s your analogy???? Lame !! , Just one point, we are fighting Al qeda in our backyards, remember???

The Miami Herald had an article on how Chavez pressures and buys off the population to vote for him, smuggled videos of the head of the Oil Industry with Department heads threatening anyone not in line with Chavez were played in local stations.

Didn't you see this?? But of course not, the liberal/Leftist Media here in America don't want to stab a good comrade in the back.

This tactics are all taken from Castro's Play book, for instance when you see large demonstrations in Cuba most participants are coerced to be there, events are planned with precision and workers are given the day off and marched into Buses, if you don't have a good excuse not to attend then you are black-listed and denied any benefits like a Refrigerator, cooking pot, promotions, a raise, new housing etc, (oil money in Venezuela) or worse fired as a suspected anti-revolutionary and sentenced to roam the streets to make a living in the Black Market as the government controls all the Jobs.

Sounds familiar ???



MiamiHerald.com | 11/26/2006 | Opposition rally draws thousands in Caracas

MiamiHerald.com | 11/25/2006 | S. Florida groups unite in drive to oust Chávez

[paul]

Yah but there is still functioning opposition media in Venezuala. I am not aware of any law in Venezuala prohibiting anti-government comments.
As for the Castro analogy, Chavez should have jailed or shot his opposition by now. I know you'd like that wouldn't chya
I read both links. The first one about the millions who showed up is suspect IMHO. Supposedly the media was not allowed to film this? Sure. If memory serves me correctly, it was millions upon millions of Venezualans that poured out into the streets, demanding the return of their President during the attemted coup. Had it not been for them, Chavez may have just disappeared! I don't think Chavez fears the people, even his opposition given his popularity.
The second article IMHO shows 2 things. First the assholes in FL had no problems before Chavez when 95 percent of the population struggled while they controlled the nation's wealth. That's what they call democracy. They can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, I noted this from the link written by a Venezualan journalist.

''When there's not an election, everyone agrees that Chávez is very popular, but every time an election comes, they say he's down in the polls,'' said local Venezuelan journalist Carlos Matamoros, who plans on voting for Chávez. ``He's the only president that I've seen who has done an important social work, with important efforts to help the poor.''

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

Yah but there is still functioning opposition media in Venezuala. I am not aware of any law in Venezuala prohibiting anti-government comments.

Originally Posted by paul

Well, I remain a huge fan and supporter of President Chavez.

Here !!, take moment and read this article on how your “HERO” stays in power.

In only a few paragraphs Mr Oppenheimer – the author of this piece is revered as an expert on Latin America- was able to convey the dire situation the Venezuelan people find them selves today under the control of EL YUGO (did you look it up???), Oppenheimer is a respected journalist known around the world, and “ a Miami Herald syndicated columnist and a member of The Miami Herald team that won the 1987 Pulitzer Prize”

Check out his Blog

“Thanks to a combination of massive petrodollar cash subsidies to the poor and one of the most sophisticated government intimidation machines in the hemisphere, I wouldn't be surprised if Chávez wins without a fraudulent vote count.”

“A poll by The Associated Press shows that 59 percent of Venezuelans say they are likely to vote for Chávez……”

“the same poll shows that 57 percent of Venezuelans -- including nearly half of Chávez's supporters -- believe that people may suffer retaliation if they vote against the government.”

Originally Posted by paul

from what I remember reading about this, he more or less instituted a fairness doctrine there to allow for equal time

“In addition to controlling the National Electoral Council and the Supreme Court and having a Congress with no opposition legislators, the government has limited Rosales to two minutes a day of advertising per television station, while Chávez has been allowed to continue his six-hour weekend show..”

“What's worse, Chávez has set up the biggest electronic intimidation apparatus in the hemisphere…”

“Their names were given by pro-government election authorities to a pro-Chávez legislator, who put it on his website. Since publication of the so-called ''Maisanta list,'' thousands of people on the list have been laid off from their jobs, asked to wait months for a passport or denied access to government services.” (where did I hear this before ???), HMMMMMMM

“Also, many Venezuelans fear that the country's electronic voting system -- which includes fingerprinting machines -- allows the government to know how they vote.”



MiamiHerald.com | 11/30/2006 | Tainted win awaits Chávez

[Mixmachine]

Here Paul!!This is another eye opening article from Gustavo Coronel, a former member of the Board of Petroleos de Venezuela and former Venezuela diplomat.

MiamiHerald.com | 11/30/2006 | Chávez's corruption, unfulfilled promises

PS: I can't quote this article now without registering on the Miami Herald page, which I refuse to do, maybe I'll do it tomorrow when the restriction expires
I want to make sure every one here gets the accurate picture of who Paul considers his "HERO" and therefore understand why He's nothing but a Leftist "Useful fool" and mouth piece

[DiscoMan]

Paul you really are a self absorbed commie windbag...

Hey Bernie; what about that word "a*****e"? Or do we only ban people who take pointed shots at your liberal democRat icons?

[paul]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

Paul you really are a self absorbed commie windbag...

Hey Bernie; what about that word "a*****e"? Or do we only ban people who take pointed shots at your liberal democRat icons?

Is that the best you can offer?

[paul]

A useful fool, a commie windbag? I guess I'm having a bad day
Is Chavez threatening his neighbors or other nations? Did Chavez preemtively strike another nation? Is Chavez taking oil money to enrich himself and his ilk? Nowhere did these critics offer any solutions to Venezualuan problems other that they want Chavez out! At least one guy believes Chavez will win legitimately.
I've heard differntly about the voting machine there but I don't think it change opinions.
Anyone really wanting to know the facts can look up Chavez's successes and failures and draw their own conclusion. From where I sit, I and many more including the people of Venezula beleive this man did a good job overall!

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

A useful fool, a commie windbag? I guess I'm having a bad day

I think you are having a bad day since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the total collapse of the Communist bloc.

Is Chavez threatening his neighbors or other nations?

Yes, He's purchasing disproportionate amounts of arm from Russia, Spain and others, supports leftist Terrorist groups in Columbia, and threatened to interfere in Bolivia if the resent internal unrest escalated and theaten Evo's presidency, Brazil, Chile and others in the region promptly warn against this, or else...

Did Chavez preemtively strike another nation?

He doesn't have to deal with Islamo Fascist terrorist within his borders, instead He supports them, with close ties to Iran, claims 9/11 was a hoax (like you) and supports Iran Nukes plans that will be aimed at America and our allies.

Is Chavez taking oil money to enrich himself and his ilk?

Apparently you didn't read my links , the answer is there, The US hasn't taken a penny in oil from Iraq, I wish we did!!!!! Look it UP!!!!!

Nowhere did these critics offer any solutions to Venezuelan problems other that they want Chavez out!

Doesn't this sound familiar ???? Isn't this same tactic the one you Leftist Liberals use here in USA during the last elections?? That tactic never bother you before , but now you object to the opposition using it in Venezuela. Don't they have a word for people that think this way??? Hmmmmm

At least one guy believes Chavez will win legitimately.
I've heard differently about the voting machine there but I don't think it change opinions.

I guess that guy must be you!!!! But tell me, Who's opinion you think carries more weight?? That of a long respected Latin American expert and author, one awarded a Pulitzer price for excellence in Journalism, or that of the self serving leftist radicals you use for information?