Towards A Change Of Regime In Venezuela?

Nano · #46 January 9th, 2007, 11:06 AM

Mix, you are my disco fella -but now you're starting to sound like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory!

In Venezuela's last election Chavez won with the people's vote. His opponents didn't claim fraud. International observers checked that. The papers say it wasn't rigged. And still you say there is no Democracy?

Oh, wait! You have evidence! A MIAMI NEWSPAPER!

I will use your suspicion-is-fact method. Miami is in Florida, right? Wasn't Florida the State where your President "won" a "free" election in 2000, where black Florida citizens didn't get to vote and the election was "scrutinized" by the Supreme Court? And the case was so blatant that was written in ALL newspapers in the world (except Miami) and there was even a documentary about it which went to win the Palme d'Or at Cannes?

Is THAT Democracy for you, my friend?

DiscoMan · #47 January 9th, 2007, 09:44 PM

It was Palm beach County where the democRat motto is "Vote Early, Vote Often..."

The world wide press is left wing and it will NEVER treat a right winger with honesty.

"where black Florida citizens didn't get to vote"

An absolute CROCK OF BULLS**T.

Bernie, does that satisfy your censorship sensibilities?

Oh, and I would imagine that someone from Argentina, the country who so admired Juan Peron, the Generals and invaded the Falklands is singularly qualified to advise the world on free elections. Desaparezca, por favor.

Nano · #48 January 10th, 2007, 12:23 PM

"yeah, I'm right, and everybody else is wrong, no matter what they say they're all a bunch of Marxists"

You know, my mother used to tell me that people regress to that behavior when they don't have a proper argument

No problem, I'm pro-Democracy and free speech...

Mixmachine · #49 January 10th, 2007, 02:42 PM

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Mix, you are my disco fella -but now you're starting to sound like Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory!

In Venezuela's last election Chavez won with the people's vote. His opponents didn't claim fraud. International observers checked that. The papers say it wasn't rigged. And still you say there is no Democracy?

Even an ignorant "useful idiot" with "Dos dedos de frente" (with a minimum intelligence ) could see that the elections were rigged in Chavez' favor , read the links I gave before (written by independent reporters) again and educate yourself)

Chavez and his cronies controls all branches of Government, including the National election board and Supreme court, He controls Venezuela's MONEY (no campaign expenditure limits!!) and controls and/or intimidates --through government sponsored armed mobs and restrictive newly enacted laws -- into silence all the Media and opponents and yet you call this "Democracy" ??? Your pic should be next to the Useful idiot phrase in the Webster dictionary.

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Oh, wait! You have evidence! A MIAMI NEWSPAPER!

You also need to educate yourself on how 'articles' reach Newspapers pages here in the US, Most of the articles included in the Miami Herald and other publications -especially dealing with Latin America-- are written by Independent reporters-- working for the AP (associated press) or other associations agencies, many are from 'wire service' belonging to a wide range of US (and Foreign) newspapers that share the articles upon request for a fee, the 'true colors' of a Newspaper can be found in the Opinion/Editorial Page mostly, and also in the articles directly written by the reporting staff of said Paper. (Easy to tell by looking at the source of the piece)

The Miami Herald is considered Left or center in it's political leanings here in this city, of course if you are a Leftist Radical lunatic, well, in this case of course nothing written will ever be "Leftist" enough for you.

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I will use your suspicion-is-fact method. Miami is in Florida, right? Wasn't Florida the State where your President "won" a "free" election in 2000, where black Florida citizens didn't get to vote and the election was "scrutinized" by the Supreme Court? And the case was so blatant that was written in ALL newspapers in the world (except Miami) and there was even a documentary about it which went to win the Palme d'Or at Cannes?

Apparently you are one of those that believes movies are to be taken as “Facts” , yeah, for this I blame the American Media machine, I’m sorry pal.

A conglomerate of US papers and distinguished US reporters conducted (and published results) a thorough study of the election and found the usual expected irregularities given the size and population of the State of Florida and the USA; They found that President Bush had the votes to win the State without any court participation, which was precipitated by Democratic operatives trying to pull a fast one in Palm Beach county. But I know, Your Leftist sources down there in the Patagonia never received that memo.

As far as 'black vote' that was all unproven exaggerations disseminated by the 'usual suspects" here in America, and only alleged in a small corner of a small county.

Of course this facts never stop any Leftist anti-American envious ignorant radicals of the world from inflaming the miss-information to gain political points with the un-educated starving masses they are trying to control to further their own political corrupt ambitions.

Here I give you a perfect quoted example of that, taken fronm this very pages, it should be familiar to you

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"where black Florida citizens didn't get to vote"

Mixmachine · #50 January 10th, 2007, 03:18 PM

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"yeah, I'm right, and everybody else is wrong, no matter what they say they're all a bunch of Marxists"

MiamiHerald.com | 01/10/2007 | 'New era' in socialism beginning, Chávez says

MiamiHerald.com | 01/10/2007 | Following in the footsteps of failure

MiamiHerald.com | 01/10/2007 | Investors tremble as Chávez enters second term

Scotsman.com News - Latest News - Chavez nationalisations push Venezuela further left

MR Chavez proclaimed himself a "communist" and said, "we are heading towards socialism"

"Yesterday He (Chavez) paid misguided homage to Karls Marx and Vladimir Lenin and closed a speech with Castro's trademak "Homeland or Death, we will triumph" .

Part of today's inaugural speech!!

What did I say about "Useful idiots" supporting this guy???

TIME TO EAT CROW MEAT!!!!!!!

I feel sorry for the people of Venezuela, they are in for a world of hurt

paul · #51 January 10th, 2007, 05:19 PM

Mix, Mix. At least you know your disco

The sky isn't falling. I couldn't read the opinion piece at the Herald cause I would have to register and I just didn't fell like it. Anyway, the people of Venezuela are getting what Chavez promised when he ran. Nationalizing electricity, the phones system are not new. It's done that way in some european countries with good economies and a good quality of life for the people.
I know the reich-wing has been floating the propaganda that the private sector is always best and is some sort of panacea for all things. Not true. Just ask Californians about electricity and when the state let the private sector take control of it.
That said, what I've read is Chavez still wants a private sector roll in the nation. In key sectors that impact the lives of every Venezuelan such as electric utilities, he'd like a return to state control.

As for the bush vote in Florida, I've read that Gore won the the state if the recount was done statewide. Ironically, Gore would have lost the recounts had he received the limited recounts he and his lawyers pursued. This was according to the media consortium group that looked at this.
By the way, I've never eaten crow. How does it taste?

Nano · #52 January 11th, 2007, 12:19 PM

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