Should The U.S Attack Iran?

[Videoskooter]

As things are heating up last days and the American government seems to be planning an air attack on Iran, I want some opinions on it.

This is not a topic on the Prez or the like/dislike for his government, so keep it strict to the facts please.

Iran is ruled by fundamentalist muslims and a president that is demonstrating his insanity 24/7. They are building nuclear installations and are enriching Uranium, which, as you know, can be used for fabricating nuclear weapons.

They've already tested long range missiles that can reach Europe and the U.S.

Now, they are saying that they are only developping nuclear power for energy purposes and that like any other country they have the right for using such energy.

Iran has one of the biggest reserves of oil. So they really don't need nuclear power. Iran is not a member of Greenpeace, so it's fair to say that they don't do it coz' they are worried about the environment.

The question:

1.Should we grant them that right or should we attack those installations before they have the power of mass destruction?

2.Should we let them develop nuclear energy under strict control?

3.Should we not interfere with that country's inside politics.

My choice: try diplomacy for a while but if that doesn't work, TAKE 'EM OUT!

(BTW, if you agree with my option, be aware that those plants are build close to living communities and that a lot of innocent people will be killed! The Iranian government was smart enough to use that tactic!)

[remicks]

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YES !!!!

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8) 8) WE PLAN TO RULE ZE WORLD 8) 8) !!!!!!!!!!!! 8)

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[DiscoMan]

I'll push the button.

Actually, Iran has been conducting a covert war against the U.S. since the '79 rev. Eventually we're gonna get payback.

[remicks]

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Of course the US hasn't been planning anything covert over the years .....


as we oh so innocently , slowly but progressively ....... force into place our version of " democracy " and " freedom " :lol: everywhere
and thereby
8) 8) 8) TAKE OVER ZE WORLD !!!! 8) 8) 8)
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... Interesting choice of words "payback " ... an appropriately relevent one to the total story ....


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[Videoskooter]

No, payback is not the right concept here.

To be very specific and clear: I'm not anticipating in joy to push the button. I think about many innocent civilians over there, who damn sure don't all support the moronic and theocratic regime.


But I'm not ruling out the possibility, coz' I do think that Iran IS a big threat to the Western world. Much, much more than Iraq!!!

If Iran didn't have the big support from China and Russia, the problem would probably be solved already!

[remicks]

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The payback that discoman is concerned about VS ..... is toward the US .... the resentful result from the USA's historical involvement in the molding of places beyond its own bounderies .

Now, if I may respectfully be so blunt ......
If ya'll are so concerned about Iran over there ..... why dont cha urge your own f*#king countries to attack ....

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[dfc99bb]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

They've already tested long range missiles that can reach Europe and the U.S.

I don't know if they have the capability of reaching the US yet. But they definitely can reach Western Europe right now. Iran doesn not have a rational government. They are Islamic fundamentalists not given to negotiation or reason.

The Europeans are cowards on two counts in this matter. First they are afraid of Iran and want to appease it, hoping it will just go away. Second, they know the US (and possibly UK) will solve the problem for them when negotiation fails as they cower over their lattes.

Some of the EuroCowards say "the Soviets had nukes and we managed that." The difference is that the Soviets wanted to live. They also understood the seriousness of nuclear weapons and didn't play political games with them. The Iranians are in some kind of a dream world. They must think they can launch a first strike and not be obliterated in return.

Barring a regime change in Iran I think a military attack is likely. Probably weeks of massive airstrikes and cruise missiles strikes.

Here's an oposing view, from an old liberal crybaby, interesting though:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/conten.../060417fa_fact

[Videoskooter]

Both of you are right and that's where I'm heading at!!

The Europeans who are so damn critical about the U.S. policies can't wait till America (again) solves the problem!

Since they are aware that Iran has the possibility to strike Europe with a missile attack they, once again, realise that they have no defence.

So, here's the scenario if diplomacy fails: the U.S. takes measures and maybe strikes in Iran. After a few months the Europeans will draw the political correctness-card and will begin to criticise and judge the U.S.

I personnaly don't think that Iran would attack Europe or the U.S., BTW, but Israël and other Arab countries and thus bring chaos to the region, the oil-market and the world-economy.

[dfc99bb]

A lot of Americans are getting fed up with Europe. We liberated it 60 years ago, then paid for most of the defense of Europe during the cold war. Now it's crunch time and they're punking out.

Look at WW2. Chamberlin bent over rather than confront The Fuhrer and you were at war from 1939 to 1945. The European way has always been to appease aggressors. In the nuclear age that won't work. Iran cannot get nuclear weapons, period.

How do we get Iran to give up nukes without attacking them? Talk nice to them? It won't work. They are trying to game the system in order to buy time to develop their weapons. They have been aided in this by France, Russia, and of course the useless U.N.

Is it risky to attack Iran? Yes. But it's riskier to let them get nukes. If Iran should strike the US in any way, including suicide bombers, I'd be in favor of a massive nuclear strike in retaliation. Every Iranian city wiped off the map. And yes I'd push the button.

Iran is even trying to make trouble in this hemisphere. That other nutjob Chavez in Venezuela is cozying up to the Iranians. What the f*ck is that all about.?

[DiscoMan]

Seriously...I'd let the Euros take care of the Iranians. I wouldn't lift one American finger this time. Sorry Video but saving Europe from the Europeans three times in 70 years was enough for me.

[paul]

1.Should we grant them that right or should we attack those installations before they have the power of mass destruction? Were the "we" ordained by some higher power to determine who gets nukes?

2.Should we let them develop nuclear energy under strict control? See above

3.Should we not interfere with that country's inside politics. Ideally, no one should meddle in the affairs of the real world. In the real world, this question has already been answered.

To answer your topic header, no. In my opinion this would trigger WWIII. This move by Iran had to be expected. When the idiot called them out along with Iraq and North Korea, it sent the message to these nations. Since Bush attacked the weakest of the 3, you have to expect any head of state in the other 2 nations to respond this way. Add to that, the man of god at 1600 Penn has told the world and demonstrated first strike strategy.
A move I think would force N Korea to attack US troops in S Korea. I don't believe they are going to wait for the US to finish off the other nations. Secondly, I believe China, the Russians, and Pakistan would at various levels work against the US. I believe each nation will have reasons for not having US footprints in Iraq and Iran.
I have also heard some Pentagon officials will step down in opposition to any action involving a nuke strike in Iran. If I can find that link I'll post it.
This is a bad move for a lot of reasons. Ironically, the idiot has precipitated the press for nukes by nations that may have had less interest in them.
It has been reported though that the US is already involved in covert work in Iran so this may be academic on some levels.

[QUINNY]

I suspect that secretly the U.S. wants Iran to nuke someone, so that they can have a legitimate excuse to take part in a much bigger endgame.
Politics, politics.

[Com King]

Pertinent analysis, Paul.

Besides, The US have to fix it already right in Afghanistan AND Iraq, which involve thousands of soldiers, before getting involved anywhere else, especially in IRAN.

Originally Posted by dfc99bb

A lot of Americans are getting fed up with Europe. We liberated it 60 years ago, then paid for most of the defense of Europe during the cold war. Now it's crunch time and they're punking out.

I know american people don't really like french people lately, but don't forget the early days of the US, and the precious help of Marquis de la Fayette for the United States Independence. ;)

Reasons why Europe has stayed out of the war are multiple. Some are good, others are wrong.

First, US went to Iraq because of the presence of Mass Destruction Weapons denied several times by the International Atomic Energy Agency and United Nations experts. So US went to war openly lying to the population, and denying the very legitimity of the UN.

So the whole Europe (That includes UK and Spain where citizens were massively against the war) was against that war because it was mainly the result of a lie.

Unfortunately, France & Netherlands for instance, were also against it because of trade agreements (Totalfina Elf, Shell) with the dictatorial regime of Saddam Hussein.



Politics....


It's sad coz it mainly strikes civilians, and the poorest people in those countries.

3 years later, it's basically the civil war in Iraq.
It is really not time to take care of IRAN.

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

I suspect that secretly the U.S. wants Iran to nuke someone, so that they can have a legitimate excuse to take part in a much bigger endgame.

Good theory, but not likely to happen IMHO. If they strike first, it would be Israël and than Iran would be history I'm afraid.

Paul, you fear WW III and that's a fact. I think nobody and I mean nobody can predict the consequences if Iran is hit big way by the U.S. How will the other islamic countries like Pakistan react? What will Russia and China do? Indeed, very dangerous.

And to all the members that are saying that the Europeans have to deal with this: how????? We don't have a decent defense, we don't have real armies!

We are hopelessly divided, we almost all speak different languages. We have a bunch of morons leading the EU. All they care about is their own national interests. I hear you say: "so, make that clear with your politicians". Impossible! Last year many countries had polls about and rejected the European constitution. Reactions of the politicians: "We don't mind, we proceed!"

But finally, no nukes to the Mullahs! That's the goal! That's what's at stake here. If it can be solved in a diplomatic way, so much better! If that fails then somebody has to take the risk!

[DiscoMan]

We have our share of left wing nitwits in the USA as well, which is part of the problem with Iraq. W and his minions have absolutely shit themselves over the excoriation heaped upon them in the American and European left wing press. So you can see Video, that unless the USA has a government that can ignore the communists (yours and ours) and press on with whatever action is necessary to stop Iran we are all fucked. You Euros are reaping the crop of 6o years of pacifism and 85 years of communism.

And We Americans are due for our own wake-up on the threat/s that face us and the treason of the left. September 11, 2001 didn't do it. AND if a nuke is detonated in any American or European city by the mudslums or anyone else, for that matter, the left would still find every excuse not to fight.

I hope Shrillary becomes Prez and W dumps this whole Iraq/War On Terror, border insecurity, illegal immigration time bomb right in her lap. Then we'll all see how fast the democRats will surrender to the Iranians, Mexico, Chavez, Fidel and anyone else who rattles a saber or waves the hammer and sickle.

Don't forget - for all of the noise generated by the democRats and the left in the USA about how much the current situation is fucked up they haven't offered any alternative plan at all whatsoever.