Anti-democratic propaganda

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

Oh, Mixmachine. Referring to my comment about anti-Castro people losing perspective. My additional response to this socialism hysteria includes this refugee act that provides for among other things, cash and medical assistance to Cuban and Haitian refugees funded by US taxpayers.
Perhaps you know people who benefitted from this socialist program
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr/geninfo/

And I assure you the help was welcomed by all, even if I can’t help to believe that it is the least American generous and wise legislators could have done for all those abandoned and sold out behind the Iron Curtain 90 miles to the south because of the mistakes of your beloved JFK.

In any case, American taxpayers should be very pleased with the generous 'return' on their initial investment, you should visit Miami sometime and see what was done with a few empty acres of crocodile infested swamps.

And using a temporary *Humanitarian* aid program given to destitute and uprooted political refugees from any corner of the troubled world as an example of a socialist program is a stretch that only the crooked mind of a desperate demoralized leftist reaching for straws could conjure up. I suppose in your view the Billions in Aid the USA spreads yearly around the world’s poor countries are also a Socialist program? It is call Foreign Aid for a reason.


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My favorite bit of hypocracy though is from I beleive hurricane Hugo a few decades back. There were these south Florida Reagan voters who were running there mouth off about pulling yourself by your own bootstrap. In other words stop relying on the government. Of course they were singing a different tune when the hurricane hit. The government and FEMA couldn't act fast enough for 'em.

Are you equating central government aid after a National disaster with sitting by the porch downing a six pack and waiting for the welfare check while complaining how bad every thing is? :lol: You are such a sorry case :lol:

FEMA and the Government distributes *our* hard earn tax money back after it was entrusted to them by the citizens, FEMA is similar to a Federal “Insurance policy” not a Socialist program, it is a Central Government Emergency *Management* agency and the most effective way to better determine and distribute *humanitarian* and *temporary* aid to victims both in materials and funds.

[Mixmachine]

="paul"]Well Mixmachine I did a quick google on Chavez and the Miami Herald,
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/11836342.htm

This article when read in it's entirety went on to say there was no conclusive evidence that Chavez is interfering with Bolivia.

So you read *one* article and you are ready to pass judgment? :lol: Besides I said this is mainly a Liberal paper, you need to read between the lines and know they will always skew the news to the left.

I suspect 2 things here. One, as with the CNN article on poverty, you are doing selective filtering and not ingesting an entire report or article. Two, you are not doing this because you are part of that rabid anti-Castro group in Miami that have completely lost perspective.

the only one spining the facts with out a shread of credibility is you and you liberal/leftist friend, every thing you touched and said in the past 50 years has been a lie a fraud and a failure.

While I won't claim to be an expert on Chavez. I have had more than a casual interest on this topic. First I, like most Americans have little trust in the Bush adminstration. My first assumption when they say something is it's a lie, ie mushroom clouds delivered by Saddam, weapons of mass destruction, democracy to Iraq, oil revenues will pay for the war, and on, and on. So when Condi or any of these guys say something against Chavez my immediate assumption...here comes another lie.

I know , you are only experts in twisting and spinning the facts, supporting the enemies and undermining the efforts at home, Take a look at Viet-Nam, not many past administrations have been so clear in their intent, right or wrong, they say what they'll do and they do it.

Bush & Co. are the people that were all too eager to support the failed coup of the Chavez administration.

A liberal lie promoted by American leftists with out any evidence or facts, and first brought up by enemies of America like Castro and Chavez trying to foment patriotism and rally supporters at home to stay in power. Stop reading Salon.com :lol:

Allow me to help you with some critical thinking here. What one thing do Venezuela and Iraq have. Umm....ummm...oil :o

Liberals /Leftist said this before, the war was to take over the oil production for America, well I don't know, because oil is more scarce and expensive than ever and Gas is 3.00 a gallon, what does this fact do to your kakameni argument now?

Chavez has nationalized some of the nation's oil resources to benefit primarily poor people of that nation.

this statement would be funny if it weren't so pathetic, this is the same thing leftist said in America about Castro in the 60's, take a look at the results..

Guess what? The DC oil gang don't like that. In fact, Saddam had threatened the same thing though for less noble reasons. We know what happened to him. If Bush cares about anything, it's oil and the money and his buds are gonna make.

Poor soul, it must be hard waking up everyday to carry so much useless leftist garbage, you've grown so used to your charlatan con-artist so call "leaders" that you think every one is the same.

As for the land redistribution, my understanding is he is enforcing some thing that had been done prior to his government. I know it sucks but apparently it was felt that the nation's poor people should have some land. It shouldn't all belong to a handful of wealthy people. When the land was initially given, these poor people had no deed to the properties and eventually lost it. Chavez apparently is fixing that.

The land belongs to whom ever owns it legally and has the paper work to prove it, this assertions are a smoke screen to “reward” and buy off his supporters, the lands are idle because the markets have been destroyed by Chavez policies, taking lands from those that know how to work it and giving it to supporters that can’t farm will not help any one, take a look at Sugar production in Cuba, 6 to 8 tons before Castro to exporting from abroad now! Communism and Socialism equivalent to complete ruin!!!!

I suspect these are the people with the bucks flying into Miami crying about how it sucks to not walk all over the poor indigenous people any more.

What sucks is the country’s economy has been destroyed, this people are not allowed to take their property and /or their funds and move abroad, the Governments keeps it all, and still they rather leave it all behind to escape the astronomical poverty and out of control crime!!!!! Brought on since Chavez take over.

As for the physicians, I have no idea how many may be Cuban agents. What I have heard was Cuba has tons of doctors. Venezuala has oil. Chavez worked out an oil doctor/exchange deal because Venezualans need more doctors.

Cubans once again are sold out as slave to the highest bidder to afford Castro’s stay in power, in the 70’s it was the Soviet Empire that required Cubans to die and fight in Africa in countries like Angola and Ethiopia to pay off the debt, now young doctors are pimped out to Chavez for oil at the expense of Cubans health in the Island, read about how essential medical service has deteriorated in the island since the dictator began to sell out the best sons and daughters again, even Castro was forced to acknowledge the problem and general discontent, especially when foreigners get preferential treatment in the Island ahead of locals.

[paul]

Like I said Mixmachine, your rants and ravings would be more meaningful for me if you provide some source. You didn't provide me any. In fact I took your advice. I googled Bolivia, Chavez, and Miami Herald. Apparently you didn't like what was said. So, give me some sources especially since you are all over the map here.
2 quick points. There is a misunderstaning that we, the American populace would benefit from taking Iraqi oil. Bush doesn't care about that. This oilman is interested in him and his ilk making money at our expense. By the way, perhaps Saddam was really dangerous. How did he manage to get our oil in Iraq? :roll:
Secondly, when the government takes money from one group and redistributes this money to another, in this case Cubans, it's humanitarian not socialist. Ah MIx, you amuse me. :lol:

[DiscoMan]

Paul, have you chosen your new home? Is it Caracas? Or Havana? You're not THAT committed so it must be Cambridge. Cambridge is full of armchair communists such as yourself.

For the record: I had my fill of you left wing types when I was intimately involved with the anti-war movement during Vietnam. :evil:

[Mixmachine]

Originally Posted by paul

Like I said Mixmachine, your rants and ravings would be more meaningful for me if you provide some source. You didn't provide me any. In fact I took your advice. I googled Bolivia, Chavez, and Miami Herald.

if you expect me to do your leg work for you (typical leftist mode operandi) you are mistaken, I read many different sources and watch and listen to many different radio and tV shows, and I'm certainly not going to waste any of my extra time to proof to you what are reported facts by many experts in the subject. You want to rebuke the statements you find your own links, you free loafer you :lol: :lol:

[paul]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

Close...

Here's more, at a social function I attended last night (I provided the Disco music) I was talking to a local attorney who handles real estate closings as part of her practice. She was telling me that over the past few weeks she had closed on 15 properties sold by baby boomers who had had enough of Socialist Massachusetts and were moving to Florida. Her experience had piqued her curiosity and she's waiting to see the outmigration numbers for 2005.

Where will the DemocRats in Boston get the money to sustain their communist heaven when those of us paying their vig finally bail out?

Paul, since you're a committed Marxist, why don't you help out your DemocRat comrades in Boston and move to Massachusetts?

I will help my comreds if they request it. More likely though, the exodus of Nazis from the state will mean addition by subtraction at every level

[paul]

Originally Posted by DiscoMan

Paul, have you chosen your new home? Is it Caracas? Or Havana? You're not THAT committed so it must be Cambridge. Cambridge is full of armchair communists such as yourself.

For the record: I had my fill of you left wing types when I was intimately involved with the anti-war movement during Vietnam. :evil:

I'm working to bring communism to San Diego. We are hopefully one election away from electing a progressive mayor.

[DiscoMan]

Pretty weak Paul.

[eddie]

Why not let Chavez have his own oil and run his country?
We do not need to be dependant on foreign oil. There's wicked corruption in every country including this one and when you barter you support and further foreign policies. If you overthrow Chavez, chaos and even more corruption will occur.

Where the real question and shift in policy will occur is when these pro-Bush neo-conservative imperalists have to get off their butts and fight a war on six fronts to defend these statements.

I strongly believe that the religious right and neo-conservatives would tend to become more traditional conservative/fundamentalist and isolationalist if drafted by Kingpin GW. Even DISCOMAN eludes to a Vietnam war protest in a previous post.

[Rab]

Pat Robertson, a private tax-paying citizen? Organized religions have been abusing their tax free platform for years to lobby politically. What we, progressives need to do is lobby to tax organized religion...i.e. all churches, and stocks and bonds.