New Dimitri/Joey BBE Release - "The Kings Of Disco"

[QUINNY]

SHOCK, HORROR, REVELATION....

So it's guys like you, Videoskooter (and a few others here), who are actually the ones who are tired of life, jaded and really rather dismissive of things you don't like. And all the time you guys had it in for me!!! Quelle surprise. Touche mon ami.

So tell me and be honest. If you went to a party or disco and they were giving away horses shit would you guys be first in line or not bother? Are any of you actually capable of being critical, self critical or honest? Quote: " I happen to like the CD 'cos I trust/go by the strength of Negro's name" All you've said is that you have no taste of your own. :P Welcome to the club.

So far as the John Gibbs track goes, it sounds a little lacklustre to me and very lumpy rhythm wise (actually quite poorly played percussion and drums with the off beat being hit painfully late/inaccurately most times out of ten). Simply not good enough.

Even the Touche track, which I'm giving a nod of approval to, is so derivative (anyone else noticed how incredibly Trussel - Love Injection sounding it is) that it makes me realise why it bombed and why it never got the distribution. It was about a year or so too late!

Lay 'em on me and I'll open your ears up, maybe.

[Pete B]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

SHOCK, HORROR, REVELATION....

So it's guys like you, Videoskooter (and a few others here), who are actually the ones who are tired of life, jaded and really rather dismissive of things you don't like. And all the time you guys had it in for me!!! Quelle surprise. Touche mon ami.

So tell me and be honest. If you went to a party or disco and they were giving away horses shit would you guys be first in line or not bother? Are any of you actually capable of being critical, self critical or honest? Quote: " I happen to like the CD 'cos I trust/go by the strength of Negro's name" All you've said is that you have no taste of your own. :P Welcome to the club.

So far as the John Gibbs track goes, it sounds a little lacklustre to me and very lumpy rhythm wise (actually quite poorly played percussion and drums with the off beat being hit painfully late/inaccurately most times out of ten). Simply not good enough.

Even the Touche track, which I'm giving a nod of approval to, is so derivative (anyone else noticed how incredibly Trussel - Love Injection sounding it is) that it makes me realise why it bombed and why it never got the distribution. It was about a year or so too late!

Lay 'em on me and I'll open your ears up, maybe.

You are judging these songs by 30 seconds snips at Amazon heard through your computer speakers, which is pretty ridiculous for club music.

As several have said before, where’s you track listing mate? In all those years of being a "progressive DJ" you must have come across some killers which the general public weren’t quite ready for. You obviously have such high standards for originality and musicianship, I can't wait to see what you'd put on a compilation.

[billywho]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

SHOCK, HORROR, REVELATION....

So it's guys like you, Videoskooter (and a few others here), who are actually the ones who are tired of life, jaded and really rather dismissive of things you don't like.

Eh? If you're referring to me, I'm not sure how you infer that from what I wrote.

So tell me and be honest. If you went to a party or disco and they were giving away horses shit would you guys be first in line or not bother?

Wouldn't bother. Does this have any relevance to the discussion?

Are any of you actually capable of being critical, self critical or honest? Quote: " I happen to like the CD 'cos I trust/go by the strength of Negro's name" All you've said is that you have no taste of your own. :P Welcome to the club.

I did not say that. I don't like to repeat myself but I'm afraid I have to here. I made a distinction between people who buy a CD because it's by Joey Negro and try to convince themselves that they like the music when they really don't. I do not fall into that camp and I doubt that anyone reading this does. But I admit that some people definitely would do that kind of thing. And then there are people like me, who, when they go into a record shop and see that there is a new BBE disco CD and it's by Joey Negro, and has lots of old disco tracks on it that they don't already have, then they take a chance and buy it because they think, from past experience, they might like a lot of the stuff on it, because they've liked a lot of the stuff Negro's put on his disco compilation CDs in the past. And they get home, they put on the CD, and, voila, they do like much of it! Can you not see an important distinction between those two attitudes? Unbelievable.

So how do you choose when you buy a record? Do you randomly buy, from the many millions of records around, in the hope that you'll find something you like? That must be a pretty frustrating business. Are you telling me that you're never guided by anyone else when it comes to choosing a song to listen to or buy? The inescapable logical conclusion of that is that you only ever discover something new as a consequence of buying randomly, not by conscious choice.

When you want to read a book how do you choose what to read? Again, is it random?

[QUINNY]

Originally Posted by Pete B

You are judging these songs by 30 seconds snips at Amazon heard through your computer speakers, which is pretty ridiculous for club music.

As several have said before, where’s you track listing mate? In all those years of being a "progressive DJ" you must have come across some killers which the general public weren’t quite ready for. You obviously have such high standards for originality and musicianship, I can't wait to see what you'd put on a compilation.

Ermmm, some sites let you listen to more than 30 seconds. However, in all my years as a listener to music it has only ever taken me about 30 seconds to decide whether or not a track is interesting/any good/makes me wanna shake my groove thing or whatever, so 30 seconds is more than adequate. Even 30 seconds was enough time for me to notice that the Touche track rips off Love Injection and you haven't exactly dissed my appraisal of the John Gibbs track. :P
Sound quality shouldn't make any difference to musical quality as such and so I can still listen to old Jazz recordings and get off on them. It's what's in the grooves that really counts, eh?

Ermmm, this discussion isn't about my tracklisting and yes, I do have high standards as well as being guided by gut feeling. Rest assured that if I ever did a compilation list, it would have a few decent tracks on it that were relatively unknown as well as a few incredibly well known ones, BUT they'd be to MY own taste. I wouldn't necessarily expect anyone else to love 'em as much as I do. You only have to look at some of my top 10 type postings to get a feel for what I'd include.
BTW: With this Kings Of Clubs CD, do you think we're talking one night stand, lust laden fling or lifetime love affair type of liking for the tracks by Joey & Dimitri?

Ermmm, I was never a progressive DJ (whatever that means) just a very good one, according to my contemporaries and 15 years of pro club work employment to proove the point. Other DJs used to come and watch me work to learn!! No egotistical boast, just telling it like it was. :roll:

Billywho: Guilty pangs dear heart? No, I wasn't getting at you in particular, but now you've as much as admitted to it through this acute paranoia...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[billywho]

Originally Posted by "QUINNY[b

Billywho[/b]: Guilty pangs dear heart? No, I wasn't getting at you in particular, but now you've as much as admitted to it through this acute paranoia...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Quite astounding. I assumed you were replying to me because your post came after mine and could be construed as referring to some of its content.

You gave a quote (it's still there for all to see):

'"I happen to like the CD 'cos I trust/go by the strength of Negro's name" All you've said is that you have no taste of your own.'

No one wrote the sentence you quoted. I said:

"However, there are some of us who are indeed attracted to a CD on the strength of Negro's name ..."

I defy you to say you weren't referring specifically to what I wrote. You may not have been bothered to use the correct words, but that's your problem. Quoting things incorrectly can lead to you getting into trouble.

Let's not lose track of what the main point of your argument is. Person A has produced a CD with some songs on it, and person B has bought it. You have criticised person B for doing that. As I said, unbelievable. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I'd love to know how you came across the obscure tracks you would put on your CD. Was it by chance? Did you buy fifty thousand records at random, listen to them all and select what you thought were the best? Or were they recommended by somebody? Think back to all those years ago.

[QUINNY]

Errrr, but I'm a shameless (insert own expletive here) with half a brain. How do ya expect me to remember? :lol:

But seriously. If you hung out at this site a little more, you'd know that I was an avid reader of James Hamilton's Disco page in Record Mirror, among others. That was the starting point I guess. Then, after reading between his lines and making a mental note of those tracks that looked interesting, I probably listened to anywhere between 15 and 35 records a week on average and bought about 30%. Basically, whatever happened to be new from my last visit to the shops. Gasp! I actually had the nerve to turn a few down though and whatever I did buy was purchased at full retail price (less a small DJ discount). I personally feel that was being dedicated enough, but for some folks around here, taking a knife and scarring myself with the word Disco cut into my wrists wouldn't have been enough. Had I been paid more money, I probably would have blown most of it on records.
Please note: I never picked up my gems (if I have any) from second hand record stores for peanuts and I wasn't given them for free, to be cast aside instantly ('cos hey, how can a DJ have as much of an attachment to record that hasn't cost him anything? Just asking).

Errrrrrrrr, I believe I have been criticising the veracity and true intentions of the makers of the CD as much as those of the 'buyers', (buyers in general, NOT specifically anyone on this site). No personal beefs really, just my own take on things. The fact that you guys have got so upset over this, sorta prooves my points. If you were so cock sure that this CD was the dog's bollocks, why would you even bother to discuss it to any length with a (insert own expletive here) like me?

Misquoting does kinda get annoying doesn't it? However, my quote and what you actually wrote equate to the same thing.

I'm a still a waitin' for your counter to my Gibbs attack. Don't tell me you've re-listened to it and now all you can hear is the piss poor rhythm track? :o :D

[Pete B]

Hey Billy, Video, Forrrce and just about everyone else who has posted on this thread. We know we are right, so why are we even discussing it with this clown? KOD isn't the best Disco CD ever but it has a few good tracks none of us had before, for £11 I think we are all happy with it. Quinny is probably a bit of a loner and somehow gets a thrill out of the attention his ridiculously rash comments get him. He can't even come up with a few obscure tracks of his own for christsakes? How are we expected we take this guy seriously?

I’ve just had a look at a few of his charts and they all full of the bog standard "big” tunes of his day and he obviously can't see past them. That's his problem, not ours. Also, some of this stuff he likes (like Wilbert Longmire "Black is the Colour") is actually pretty rubbish and has aged very badly, so maybe the dude just has dodgy taste? Whatever the case, he'll never admit he is wrong because then we'll stop arguing with him - which is what he seems to enjoy for some perverted reason! :-?

[QUINNY]

Ooh Pete B that's a scournful tongue you got there. I agree that Wilbert Longmire wasn't to everybody's taste, but hardly rubbish (well played with good solos, energetic, slightly hard edge, really driving except for all those annoying 2 & 4 bar turnarounds). Isn't it obscure enough for ya's? :cry:

BTW UNO: the discussion hasn't been about whether or not the CD contains a few good tracks. All the fuss really started when Pizzazz posted that it was "essential" and I dared to question the use of the word essential. I guess you'd actually agree with me as you've written that it "isn't the best Disco CD ever."

BTW DOS: If that's the only track you can actually find to rubbish after all that searching, I'm on better ground than you imagine.
All bog standard eh? Yeah, they probably are....so what. Are you some kind of perfect taste guru? If you are, spill the beans as to how and why. Big time DJ, ex DJ, record boss, radio presenter, record shop owner/worker for umpteen years. I'm sure everyone would like to know.

Boot's now on the other foot. Yipee!!

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

SHOCK, HORROR, REVELATION....

So it's guys like you, Videoskooter (and a few others here), who are actually the ones who are tired of life, jaded and really rather dismissive of things you don't like. And all the time you guys had it in for me!!! Quelle surprise. Touche mon ami.

So tell me and be honest. If you went to a party or disco and they were giving away horses shit would you guys be first in line or not bother? Are any of you actually capable of being critical, self critical or honest?

[billywho]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

But seriously. If you hung out at this site a little more

I do. I read the forum several times a day. Don't equate not contributing much to not reading it. This is my main online disco site and I'm here very often. Disco music is one of the great loves of my life.

you'd know that I was an avid reader of James Hamilton's Disco page in Record Mirror, among others.

So if a "James Hamilton" compilation CD came out, you looked at the tracklisting and hadn't heard half the tracks, would you not be a little tempted to give it a listen (and I don't mean 30 seconds of distortion per track)? Maybe Hamilton would tempt you more than, say, Jo Bloggs? Or would you possibly even consider that 13 quid to buy it was a rather small amount in the great scheme of things, and you could afford to lose it if the CD turned out to be crap?

I probably listened to anywhere between 15 and 35 records a week on average and bought about 30%. Basically, whatever happened to be new from my last visit to the shops.

Now we're getting to the nub. This is exactly the same thing that I and the others here who've bought the Negro CD have done. We've been to the 'shop', we've discovered something new (yes, it is 'new' to us - and to you too - you haven't heard half of the songs on the CD), and we're giving it a listen. And several of us have decided that many of the 'new' songs we've listened to are rather good. How is that different from what you did? And I know damn well that if you could afford it you'd have bought more than 30%.

Errrrrrrrr, I believe I have been criticising the veracity and true intentions of the makers of the CD as much as those of the 'buyers'

So what are the intentions of the makers? Do you think a fat man at BBE is sitting there behind a desk right now with a huge cigar in his mouth chuckling at the clowns who've bought his trash, while Joey plays indoor golf in the capacious office? You do, don't you? We're back again to the theory that you believe we don't really like these songs, we're just trying to persuade ourselves that we do.

The fact that you guys have got so upset over this, sorta prooves my points.

No it doesn't. You keep banging away with this theory, and it simply isn't true. There are two people, Dimitri and Joey (they could be Bill and Ben as far as I'm concerned - they're just the names of two people who from my experience tend to produce good disco compilation CDs - I have no particular desire to see them DJ), who you seem to be claiming (am I wrong?) have deliberately put songs on a CD that they think are "last month's rancid milk.", knowing full well that they'll get some sales anyway because of their 'name'. Some of us claim to like the songs on this CD. Are you saying we're lying? Or just that we have bad taste?

If you were so cock sure that this CD was the dog's bollocks, why would you even bother to discuss it to any length with a (insert own expletive here) like me?

I don't believe anyone here has said this CD is stunning, apart from Pizzazz. He's entitled to his opinion - if he finds it stunning, good luck to him. As I said previously, I found his standout track (Macho) to be the worst on the CD. My original article to introduce this subject said "I found the album a bit hit or miss, but with more hits than misses". That seems to be what everyone else is saying as well. No, the real question is: why did you bother to say it was rubbish? What compelled you to say it?

Misquoting does kinda get annoying doesn't it? However, my quote and what you actually wrote equate to the same thing.

Two things here

(1) yes it is annoying
(2) most importantly, the quote you used was based on words I was using to describe what I claimed I specifically wasn't - a person who buys a CD based only on name and doesn't care about how crap the content is. I don't buy every Joey Negro CD, only the disco compilations he produces that have a large proportion of tracks I haven't already heard. If he put "the odd mega well known record" on one of his compilations it would lessen its interest for me. I'm looking for songs I have not heard before. If he produced one with only a couple of unknown songs then I wouldn't buy - I'd maybe look for them on Soulseek instead, or not even bother at all with them.

So your misquote was doubly unfortunate.

I'm a still a waitin' for your counter to my Gibbs attack. Don't tell me you've re-listened to it and now all you can hear is the piss poor rhythm track?

It sounds as good to me now as it did yesterday. Do you know, I couldn't care less about the "off beat being hit painfully late". I really couldn't. Do all lovers of disco need to know what an "off beat" is? Is it something similar to an "off break" in cricket? How on earth do you have the audacity to denigrate someone's listening to a song that gives them pleasure...?

[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

SHOCK, HORROR, REVELATION....

So it's guys like you, Videoskooter (and a few others here), who are actually the ones who are tired of life, jaded and really rather dismissive of things you don't like. And all the time you guys had it in for me!!! Quelle surprise. Touche mon ami.

So tell me and be honest. If you went to a party or disco and they were giving away horses shit would you guys be first in line or not bother?

Where is this discussion going to??? A CD is released, people have bought it or listened to it and LIKED it. Then comes Quinny who's telling us that we are all suckers who don't know anything about discorecords and that we buy everything that's offered to us like discozombies. Then he's selling some philosophical humbug to make us ridiculous. Then he's pointing out for the XXXX-time that he's a connaisseur and a real professional.

So Quinny's message is: "Hey guys, I don't like it and so YOU shouldn't like it. If YOU GUYS like it, this is only proving that YOU GUYS don't have taste and just are snobs.

Message to Quinny: "Ain't no stoppin' us now-if we like it, we listen to it, we dance to it, we buy it and we write about it"

This doesn't mean that I don't love you with all my heart.

[QUINNY]

Videoskooter: Whatever I write is only my opinion, that's all and the only reason I have to write something about my background for the umpteenth time :evil: , is because once again some guys have got personally insulting and tried to ridicule me or reverted to bully boy, mob rule tactics. Guess they love me? I'd have thought that such perfect beings could have discussed this without reverting to personal insults, but no.

Yes, I do believe that some of you guys have been suckered and that the whole current day revivalist record scene is a trick, for the reasons forwarded.

BTW: Have you or anyone else realised that I've been prepared to back up my feelings with some sort of rational debate, whereas almost all of you guys haven't even started to explain to me what makes the music on this CD sooooo friggin' good? Just (a) it's got tracks you didn't have or (b) you like it. Tell me, why do you like it? That way I might begin to understand something, but some of the nasty personal dialogue that's been so freely dished out doesn't make me wanna extend no olive branch to some of you guys. Another thing is that many of these same guys have never spilled any info about themselves to the rest of us.
I personally believe that by making my past and present day life a very open book, shows a level of bonhomie that these same guys just don't show us and it's to be seen as something far more genuinely friendly than someone who smiles in your face and agrees with everything, but doesn't ever loosen up enough for you to ever know anything about them.

So, am I a wise old head or a clown? Take your pick.

[Videoskooter]

Q,

This is difficult to explain but I will try. Yes, the cd has tracks that I didn't have before. When I go shopping I look for 2 things: records that I'm desperately seeking and new (old!) stuff.

When I see the names DFP and Joey Negro I will listen to them in the shop. I will not necessarely buy them but I do own compils by those two guys that were very interesting. If the new cd is not what I am looking for, it simply stays in the shop. I will not purchase them coz' their names are on the sleeve. Like you know, I never said that this is a MUST have, but it is a good compil IMO. And no, it doesn't have the best of the best but when I play it I get in the right discomood and that's why I don't regret buying it. Does it give me the same joy as when I find a song or album for which I'm searching for years: the answer is no!

And like I also said before: every member has his own favourites. For example Marky, who has a different taste in dancemusic than me. That's ok and I will never attack him for that.

I will reply to your discocompilation-topic later this week and I'm certain you will be surprised (or disgusted) with my choices. I'm a full-disco-guy but I like a certain preriod (74-82). I also like Soul and H-Nrg but in a lesser degree.

And indeed, your post sounded a little patronising to me but I do not doubt your skills. I'm sure you are an excellent dj and you have a great knowledge of music.. :D

[billywho]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

Yes, I do believe that some of you guys have been suckered and that the whole current day revivalist record scene is a trick, for the reasons forwarded.

Well you're wrong when it comes to the question of us being suckered. It's black and white. There's no grey area here. I have no doubt at all that there will be at least one person who buys this CD simply on the basis of Joey Negro being a 'big name', and who doesn't reallly like the music, but 'digs the current scene', for whatever reason. Do not confuse us with those people.

BTW: Have you or anyone else realised that I've been prepared to back up my feelings with some sort of rational debate

There's been no rationality at all. For a reason best known to you you 'had a go' at the people who'd bought this CD, and I'm afraid you chose the wrong target.

almost all of you guys haven't even started to explain to me what makes the music on this CD sooooo friggin' good? Just (a) it's got tracks you didn't have or (b) you like it.

This is the most astonishing thing you have said in the whole thread. Let me repeat it because it's so shocking. You've said that for us to say we "like it" is not good enough. We need to explain why we like it. I want you to read that again to take in its full effect. I put a song on and I think it's great. But that's not good enough for you. In order to justify my feeling that it's so great I have to come up with a reason. Absolute pap, Quinny. That is not the way music (at least not classical music) works. If your criteria for assessing disco music is how good the musicianship is, rather than the atavistic feeling (which can't be analysed) that the entire song gives you then you are completely and utterly wrong. Whether you like a disco song or not is all about 'feeling'. Get that into your head. Analyse Mtume's "So You Wanna Be a A Star" in terms of its musicianship, if you will.

some of the nasty personal dialogue that's been so freely dished out doesn't make me wanna extend no olive branch to some of you guys.

I'm sorry but you bring it on to yourself by your literary style and your negativity.

Another thing is that many of these same guys have never spilled any info about themselves to the rest of us.

Irrelevant. Not pertinent to the topic at hand. But if you want to ask about my background, ask away and I will tell you.

I personally believe that by making my past and present day life a very open book, shows a level of bonhomie that these same guys just don't show us and it's to be seen as something far more genuinely friendly than someone who smiles in your face and agrees with everything, but doesn't ever loosen up enough for you to ever know anything about them.

On the contrary, you've developed a particular literary style where you savage someone (not me, yet, I admit - but I'd give you back twice as much as you gave me) and then claim that you're a nice guy really and you just can't help it - that's just the way you are. Rather like the footballer who commits a disgraceful tackle and nearly breaks someone's legs, then protests to the referee - "What? Little old me?! Come on ref. Would I do something like that?" Making a life an open book has no relevance at all to whether that person is good or bad, knowledgeable or a dunce.

You'll have the last word. There's nothing else for me to say here. But remember: not every person who ploughs their own furrow turns out to be right in the end.

[Studio74]

I bought the CD and i liked it a lot.It gives me pleasure listening to it.Not because it´s obscure or is compilled by Dimitri or Joey,but because i like it and all the tracks sound good to me.