World Cup starts!!

[Blaxman]

In Brazil, there are a dictation about GOD and football:

GOD dont play it but, rules it!

Peace.

[sutnop]

On 2002-07-01 08:16, Blaxman wrote:

Well, well, well!! After the celebrating, back to discussion!

Friends (specially Sutnop), what did you say???

If we pick "a frozen" PelÈ, he wouldnt play the same way that 30 years ago??????

Yes, I said "FROZEN PEL…" because your theory is ruined here. Dont you think that today we would have a "physically improoved PEL…" ? He's not a lousy man, he is/was a complete athlete!! So, of course his athletic condition would be much better now than 30 years ago!! Dont you think about it???

More: PelÈ scored more than 1,200 goals, won 2 Interclub World Championships, 3 World Cups and countless other titles. Who did more??

Please, no more "FROZEN PEL…" theory, ok??

Finally, while some people is thinking like this, we are winning titles, he,he,he!

Peace. (Brrrrrrr, why is so cold here???) :lol:




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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Blaxman on 2002-07-01 08:19 ]</font>

Ok one thing
First things first
The BEst player throughout history can never be a forward since his responsibilty is never deciding.
It must be a playmaker
a creator.
Maradona didn't need anyone else to turn a game around. Pele needed good teammates
and the fact
that the
faschist political pigs of Brazil
Made a law banning all Brazilian players from professional football due to PEle
is just further evidence that
he never went to ITaly, Spain or England to proove himself.

ALl he ever has from his CV is the Santos club and the Circus Called the Metrostars.

Anyways that is not important. And if you ask a Brazilian about the best World Cup Team ever they will say
the 82 edition
and not the 70 edition or the 58 edition.

And Socrates there you have a real genious of a player.....

anyway I can agree to the fact that Pele is the best Forward /Striker in History
in stiff competion
from
Fenerec Puskas
Gerd Muller
Just Fontaine
Mario Kempes
Zico

[sutnop]

And congratulations for the Victory

We Celebrated the Surrvival of beautiful Football

with ofcourse a game of football on that Sunny Sunday Afternoon at a beautiful Grass Pitch

it was fun and tantalizing

and Congratulations Brazil for having the best player of the Tournament
Ronaldinho
he was the perfect number 10 (altough he had to play with 11, due to the fact that Skelletor had reserved the other shirt)

in the first half Brazil would of been up two
if Ronaldo would of been as distinct as a top world striker should be sort of like
Crespo or schevsenko.

First he got a through ball from Ronaldinho that went between to German defenders

Then Ronaldinho lobbed the ball over the whole German Defense to set Ronaldo free with the GK.

If you didn't see Ronladinho Ricardo Mata
watch your recorded version of the game at least the first half and you will see what I am talking about

Then There was Denilson that guy is so amusing to watch ofcourse once he got the ball he didn't care about passing it just about tricking the whole defense

but on a day like this
it was all good!

[Blaxman]

On 2002-07-01 09:57, sutnop wrote:
Ok one thing
First things first
The BEst player throughout history can never be a forward since his responsibilty is never deciding.
It must be a playmaker
a creator.
Maradona didn't need anyone else to turn a game around. Pele needed good teammates
and the fact
that the
faschist political pigs of Brazil
Made a law banning all Brazilian players from professional football due to PEle
is just further evidence that
he never went to ITaly, Spain or England to proove himself.

ALl he ever has from his CV is the Santos club and the Circus Called the Metrostars.

Anyways that is not important. And if you ask a Brazilian about the best World Cup Team ever they will say
the 82 edition
and not the 70 edition or the 58 edition.

And Socrates there you have a real genious of a player.....

anyway I can agree to the fact that Pele is the best Forward /Striker in History
in stiff competion
from
Fenerec Puskas
Gerd Muller
Just Fontaine
Mario Kempes
Zico

Sutnop, let me do a little joke with your post. (No offense on it, ok?)

It seems the "Samba Do Crioulo Doido". :lol:
(Crazy guy's Samba)

Peace

[sutnop]

what do you mean a joke??

[Blaxman]

Sutnop,

I mean: Your post did let me confuse.......confused like "Samba do Crioulo Doido" is. :lol:


Got it?


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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Blaxman on 2002-07-01 10:42 ]</font>

[sutnop]

ok

So who in your opinion was the best player of this tournament

In my country the poll stands between
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Roberto Carlos

personally I think Ronlaldinho


he is the only one of the Whole Brazilian team I have seen play live
and the things he did at on the pitch were amazing
I must say that I really like him as a football player.......

One player I never really apprecited is Rivaldo
who reminds me of the Heman Nemeny
Skelletor

[Blaxman]

On 2002-07-01 10:45, sutnop wrote:
ok

So who in your opinion was the best player of this tournament

In my country the poll stands between
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Roberto Carlos

personally I think Ronlaldinho


he is the only one of the Whole Brazilian team I have seen play live
and the things he did at on the pitch were amazing
I must say that I really like him as a football player.......

One player I never really apprecited is Rivaldo
who reminds me of the Heman Nemeny
Skelletor

This is a tough question for me.... I dont like Rivaldo too much.....I think he's a good player but, nothing more.

My choice is Ronaldo, he decided a lot of matches for Brazil in this world cup, he was the biggest scorer in a world cup since 74 so, I think he deserves the place.

Ronaldinho is a great player, but sometimes he scapes from the game. I think that in 2006 he will be better, more experienced then, maybe....

Peace.


P.S. Roberto Carlos? No way. I prefer the singer. :lol:

[jazz_pilgrim]

Even though it hurts like hell for me to say this :cry: , I would also go along with Ronaldihno as the best player - fantastic talent. But to honest, the award should go to the entire Brazilian attack!! I loved the way they seemed to go forward with such fluidity!!

Though I was very pleased with the development of Rio Ferdinand in the English defence.

And I felt genuinely sorry for Oliver "King" Kahn (as I saw in B"ild"). It's a tough job being stuck between the goalposts - just ask David Seaman. I thought Kahn was a brilliant goalie until THAT slip up ....

[Blaxman]

On 2002-07-01 16:29, jazz_pilgrim wrote:

And I felt genuinely sorry for Oliver "King" Kahn (as I saw in B"ild"). It's a tough job being stuck between the goalposts - just ask David Seaman. I thought Kahn was a brilliant goalie until THAT slip up ....

That's right, Jazz:

Just ask to Chilavert!!! :lol:
The big world cup fiasco!!!

Peace.

[Boodikka]

Is it just me or is there a particular arrogance to Kahn that rubs me the wrong way? Even his post-game comments seemed to be overly self-serving and self-pitying. He's a brilliant goalkeeper, but he needs to learn something about sportmanship. Brasileiros and the Brasil team acknowledged the skill of Zidane in '98 with no problem.
Anyway, I am ecstatic with the Penta for Brasil! Let's hope FIFA cleans up its act when it comes to officiating.....that was the WORST part of the cup.

[Blaxman]

Boodi, I would like to suggest a movie to the German goalkeeper:

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Peace,

Blaxman - Brazilian, trekkie and penta!! :grin:

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Blaxman on 2002-07-02 11:39 ]</font>

[Nano]

Hey Boodi, Blax, what happens is that you're Brazilians, that is, you're different from the rest of the world. I mean you take all more easily, always smile... I think you really enjoy life a bit more than the rest of us.
It's normal for a losing team to feel angry or sad (I saw the latter in Kahn). Just remember our Diego crying openly in the podium of Italy '90!
And jazz_pilgrim, don't worry about where will Ronaldo be in 2038: by then there will probably be a "Ronaldizinho" making problems in the enemy's area...
Did you guys saw the numbers of this topic? 18 pages and more than 1200 views! I think Marky is getting a bit worried.
And another thing we forgot completely: WHERE'S MAARTEN?

[jazz_pilgrim]

And jazz_pilgrim, don't worry about where will Ronaldo be in 2038: by then there will probably be a "Ronaldizinho" making problems in the enemy's area...

No doubt you are right my good friend...

[sutnop]

On 2002-07-02 11:28, Boodikka wrote:
Is it just me or is there a particular arrogance to Kahn that rubs me the wrong way? Even his post-game comments seemed to be overly self-serving and self-pitying. He's a brilliant goalkeeper, but he needs to learn something about sportmanship.

Yeah well
he has got a bit too much of the
third riach
mentality in him
Kahn was the first to proclaim him the best GKp in the world he is quite arrogant indeed this is not the first time.

And just as BArthez he is famous for Blunders. He has made far worst then the one in the Final,

but I guess that is part of his mentality

I grew up with the ethics
the humbleness is the key to ones success

So I have trouble understanding people who like the Mohammed Ali approach

ALtough I must say I prefer it to people
who overdo the whole humble thing