World Cup starts!!

[jazz_pilgrim]

On 2002-06-26 11:00, Ricardo_Mata wrote:
Hi guys!
Seriously, I am looking forward to this match. As I said before, this final has the ingredients to be one outstanding one. Klose, Jenkel, Bierhoff, and Khan against Marcos, Rivaldo, and Ronaldo? Get your VCRs ready; it should be an unforgettable match!!!

And, once again, I hope football comes out the winner. Fair play.

P.S: I'll say Germany 2 - Brasil 1 but, frankly, I got a hunch that it's going to be the other way around.

What a sportsman and a gentleman you are, Sir!!

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-26 11:00, Ricardo_Mata wrote:
Seriously, I am looking forward to this match. As I said before, this final has the ingredients to be one outstanding one. Klose, Jenkel, Bierhoff, and Khan against Marcos, Rivaldo, and Ronaldo? Get your VCRs ready; it should be an unforgettable match!!!

And, once again, I hope football comes out the winner. Fair play.

I few comments on this firstly JEnkel don't know such a player I assume you mean Janker but he want be starting after all Janker rhymes on Wanker.....

The VCR thing I guess our dear friend
DJ Phil
has another copyright issue on his mind
wouldn't savouring this great World Cup moment on our VCR be stealing from Fifa?

at least it would be in that twisted kind of logic
and in that case we should all
by the licensed
World Cup 2002 DVD that Fifa will release some months after Tooday.....

If you hope football comes out the winner
then you can not possibly hope for Germany

I mean even Venzeuela play more football then germany.

Germany play to destroy Football, they will play to destroy Brazil's game, But the Creative touch of Flair from PSG will be in the next game
and they can't touch Ronaldinho........
we all know that!

I have no predictions for the Game it can go anyway.
but for the sake of football I hope for Brazil

This is Creativity vs Destructivness
This is the inovation, creativity, the flair, human genious
vs
the still, diciplined, machine mentality that Germany have.

The Artists vs The Terminator Machines

[sutnop]

Some MAthematical Logic
for those who thing that stuff like that matters for prediction

if you take the Greatest World Cup Ever 1982
and then count one world Cup Forward and one World Cup back from there you will get this outcome

86 (+4) 78 (-4) Argentina Victors Both Times

90 (+8) 74 (-8) Germany Victors Both Times

94 (+12) 70 (-12) Brazil Victors Both times

98(+16) 66(-16) Host NAtions Victors Both Times

2002(+20)62(-20) BRazil Victors in 62 so if the mathmatical logic should be correct they should turn out victors even this time....

IF you didn't like that then check this out

Add up Brazil's two last World Cup Victories

1994
1970 +
= 3964

Germany's last two golds
1990
1974 +
= 3964

Argentina's last two World Cup Golds
1986
1978 +
= 3964

All get this Number 3964 so that number has gotta to me something

so if we try to subtract that number by this year

3964
2002 -
= 1962 who won in 1962 Brazil won
so this year the Victor should be Brazil!
if Logic Prevails

[sutnop]

Personally I am quite the sceptic to mathmatical logic

After all that is a method more fit the german style of football and character then the brazilian

I personally Believe in Tradition
Tradition says that

only ones has a non European team conquered on European Soil

AND NEVER
I Repeat NEVER has a European Team won a non-European Soil

Some Journalists here used it as an excuse to say that
it was not a case of Non-European Soil but
American soil (Sout, Central and North)

which I think is bullshit
Why do you think the Europeans have been so keen on getting 2006 hosted in Europe and not South Africa

why has every second World Cup since its orgin been hosted in Europe?

ANyways the power of tradition is strong
too strong for the Germans

Just as it was for the ITalians in 94
and for the Brazilians in 98
and for Maradona in 90

[Ricardo_Mata]

Hi everybody! I'm still trying to figure out some of the messages posted here lately... definitely interesting points of view, albeit incomprehensible for me.

Jazz, thank you for your kind words. Considering where they come from, I value them very, very much.

Germany is, definitely, the team people love to hate. I can understand why but, nonetheless, I remain fiercely loyal.

Let's hope both Germany and Brasil bring out the best in their teams and give us a good display of organized, disciplined Germany football, and festive Brasilian futebol.

For the good of the sport, may the best, fairest team win.

[Blaxman]

Jazz, Sutnop (our little Einstein) , Ricardo, everybody,

At this moment I just like to say:


PRA FRENTE BRAZIL ZIL ZIL!!!!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:


P.S. Well done Jazz, your portuguese is very much better than my english! :lol: Hey, I did like to see. You got the echo joke! (ZIL ZIL ZIL) :lol:

Peace.

[jazz_pilgrim]

BRAZILIAN PORTUGESE FOR BEGINNERS

LESSON TWO

This is a very useful word to learn, and can often be heard at Brazilian World Cup matches ....

G-O-O-O-O-O-O-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L !!!!

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

[Ricardo_Mata]

Hi guys! I love the Portuguese lessons. Unfortunately, I believe my friend Oliver Khan will make the second lesson useless for Brazilians this coming Sunday.



Pra frente Deutchsland!!!!!

Delante Alemania!!!!!

Go Germany!!!!

Forza Germania!!!!!

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[jazz_pilgrim]

BRAZILIAN PORTUGESE FOR BEGINNERS

LESSON THREE

Now let's put all that we've learnt from Lessons One and Two together with some new words, shall we?

Rivaldo - Ronaldo - Ronaldihno - RONALDO!!!!

G-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L!!!!

PRA FRENTE BRAZIL ZIL ZIL!!!!!!

:grin: :grin: :grin:


PS Sorry, Ricardo. Hope you don't mind my little bit of fun! As I said, I do like Germany as well Good luck to both teams! Ich w¸nsche Deutschland viel Gl¸ck!!!

[Ricardo_Mata]

Hi guys! Don't worry Jazz, I do have a sense of humor! That's why I regret to inform you that you are cheering for a team that, unfortunately, will have to go back home with second place at the World Cup. I'm truly sorry, mate.

I invite you, and all our other football friends, to join me in cheering for the team that will certainly win: Germany.

A gentleman I am sure you are familiar with once said: "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing fields... we shall never surrender" Well, Germany will score on the pitch; will score with Bierhoff; will score with Jankel; will score with Klose, will score even with Khan!

By the way, that gentleman is my one of my favorite historical characters. For those of you who may not know who I am talking about, I'll give you a hint: Born in 1874, died in 1965.

[jazz_pilgrim]

On 2002-06-28 07:35, Ricardo_Mata wrote:

A gentleman I am sure you are familiar with once said: "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing fields... we shall never surrender" Well, Germany will score on the pitch; will score with Bierhoff; will score with Jankel; will score with Klose, will score even with Khan!

By the way, that gentleman is my one of my favorite historical characters. For those of you who may not know who I am talking about, I'll give you a hint: Born in 1874, died in 1965.

I know exactly who you are talking about! I love history, and I received the new biography on Winston Churchill by Lord Jenkins from my wife last Christmas. An excellent read it was too!! Lord Jenkins ended up by concluding, that despite W's faults, he considered him to be the finest British Prime Minister ever ...

[Blaxman]

On 2002-06-28 07:35, Ricardo_Mata wrote:

...I invite you, and all our other football friends, to join me in cheering for the team that will certainly win: Germany.

Hi people, and specially Ricardo!

I'm not so sure about what you said, uh?

Anyway, the atmosphere here in Brazil is set on fire. Huge anticipation!! For my relax I'm typing this message hearing a beutiful CD from Isley Brothers (Jeez, sensational!!). Hmmm, back to the post, on sunday the game time in Brazil is 8:30 am. Saddly, the forecast is for a rainy day to my town. :grin: I hope the children could have this pleasure.

So, may the best win. Good luck to the both teams.

Peace to all.

P.S.

PRA FRENTE BRAZIL ZIL ZIL!!!!!

AGORA … CORRENTE PRA FRENTE!!!!

O PENTA VEM AÕ!!!!!

_________________
SENHORES DO GROOVE - BRAZIL

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[sutnop]

from what I hear The Germans
don't seem all to optimistic this time

Franz Beckenbauer
also nicknamed the KAiser
and undoubtley Germany's best and most influential player throughout history

Said and I quote

This German Football Team should be placed in a big sack and ones they are in it. The sack should be thrown to the crowd so that everyone can kick on them.

On another matter just
a bit of proof why I hate German football

Ruudi Voller openly called Michael Ballack a hero for
taking a yellow card in the Semi Final and being suspended for the final.

The crazy thing in this event is not him being a hero or not.
But that the coach openly admits that he wants his players
to commit ugly fouls which result in yellow cards....
and that he openly and publicly supports players who commit these otrocities

Have Germany ever heard of Fair Play

How can it be considered Fair Play....
when the Germans include count on bending the rules and not playing by them
just to acheive the win
that is low sportmanship.....

[Ricardo_Mata]

Hi guys! I have my doubts about that quote from Beckenbauer. I don't recall ever hearing him talk that way. I do know he was very upset when England thrashed Germany 5-1 in Munich during qualifyings but I doubt he would say anything like that. Maybe Sutnop has better access to information than I do.

As far as the yellow card in question, I have to say that I agree with the principle of fair play. Ballack commited a foul for which he deserved a yellow card. He commited that foul knowing that he would probably be ejected or, at best, he would miss the final. He sacrificed himself for the benefit of the team. I think that sacrifice is what Voeller praised in his comments. I doubt Voeller would praise unsportsman-like behavior.

Football --like life itself-- is not perfect and, as much as I hate it, sometimes teams have to use tactics that are not quite right. Ballack's foul is a good example. A team that is ahead 1-0 and then "freezes" and turns a good match into a boring one is another good example. I don't like it but that is life.

Let's go back in time to 1986 and Maradonna's "Hand of God." We all know that goal should not have counted; Maradonna pushed the ball with his arm. England lost and Argentina went on to win the Cup. Is that right? No, it is not but it is life.

By the way, that fellow is a good example of how some people can become blind to reality. Maradonna was a very talented player. He could have been the greatest. Unfortunately, he got into the problems we all know and became a pitiful human being. And, quite frankly, I don't think the poor fellow even qualifies for that title. A miserable, lousy, messed-up, cheating drug addict is the way he should be drescribed. what a waste of talent! And some people still insist he is the greastest player of all time???

For that distinction we need to look no farther than that gentleman called PelÈ. THAT is the greatest player of all times. And on top of that, he is an example for all generations: classy yet dwn to earth, decent, and honorable. Some people tried to tarnish his image while he was involved with politics and they couldn't do it! That speaks volumes about Pele.

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-29 15:17, Ricardo_Mata wrote:
Hi guys! I have my doubts about that quote from Beckenbauer. I don't recall ever hearing him talk that way

Beckenbauer made this statement after the game with USA

he thought that USA dominated Germany and considered the Germans lucky mostly thanks to the referee.

After the Korea game he withdrew this statement however.........


As For Maradona
he was the greatest
there is little doubt about that
Pele was a more universal player,,,,,

But MAradona could of made Slovenia into world champions........

He is and was the deciding factor between two teams...

Pele was just about the most creative and universal forward of his time.....

But Football 30-40 years ago was a lot different.
And I doubt that I Player with similar skills to Pele in toodays Football enviornment would be able to make the same impact........

I mean his ball speed wasn't lightning fast like that of MAradona or Ronaldo....