SHAKATAK --- Quinny Style

[NickNack]

I'm doing this because I want an answer. Quinny began this in a public forum and now I'd like to end it. I would like to hear the opinions of others to see if I'm "too sensitive", "too serious", "biased against the man", whatever. I'm putting it here as to not disrupt Leatherman's thread any further.

http://www.discomusic.com/forums/vie...r=asc&start=30

Third post from the bottom of the page is Quinny's explanation of why he finds the music of Shakatak "limp". You can see this was back in December 2003. The next page has a post by Rodmann2 who took exception to Quinny's remark and a response from Quinny. That is all that occurred in public view. Because of that, Quinny tells you his remark only caused a "small ripple". Let me counter:

The first of 6 pms I received from different members was from Rodmann2. He was a member who had just joined in October 2003 and was not only furious with Quinny but with me for not taking a stance as moderator. It also shocked him that other members pm'd him for 'attacking Quinny for no reason'. I won't go into everything he said but I did tell him I would speak to Quinny privately. Rodmann2 left the board two weeks later and hasn't returned.

The other messages were general complaints of "why is he still here" -- that sort of thing. We've all seen them before, the pros and the cons. After all of this I spoke with Quinny and we got no where. (How unusual. :roll: ) I ended it with until I get an apology, we're finished.

So, who thinks I'm 'over the top' wrong? Who thinks I should hop a plane to Britain and smack some sense into the man? I'm trying to joke this off but in all honesty I am tired of it. Tired through and through. I found his remark very offensive and unnecessary. I thought it was hurtful, insensitive and insulting and showed me just how arrogant this guy can be. If you disagree, hey, that's fine but let me say this: If you're not walking around in Black skin then you better have a damn good reason as to why you think I'm overreacting. I realize this won't change the thinking of the person who wrote it. That's a given. I'd just like to know for myself.

Also, if you feel I shouldn't air it out here, tell me. Everything is fair game.

[efunk_adelic]

Nick, just so you know..... Rodmann2, is a friend of K-Bee, efunk & DJ Jimmy M . He didn't leave the forum because of Quinny.

I'm sure (after reading again) the particular thread in question why both of you are affended. Rodmann2 left or not posted for other reasons.

[efunk_adelic]

Oops I forgot to give opinion.


First of all Nick, you are a moderator and in the middle of the drama unfortunately. As far as being over sensitive? maybe a little. You jumped all over my ass once..... I was like :o and :roll: I thought of leaving the forum... but, I'm not gonna be a pussy just because the wrong words were said to me. :D (this is my experience and not a pun intended for anyone who might take offense).

You think this is bad... try hangin' out in a NFL FOOTBALL forum. it gets real ugly there.... especially because I root for a pathetic team.

Quinny can be obnoxious .... but he doesn't lie or try sugarcoat his opinions.

[paul]

My take as another African-American/Black man.
I kinda remember reading this and I brushed it off. In part because I wasn't sure if Quinny meant to be racist. As Black folks we often come across racist ignorance and it becomes a threshold thing. By threshold I mean responding requires diverting your time and focus away from something else that is important. Depending on how bad the racist issue was, the amount of crap you recently heard and your overall state of mind you might feel it's necessary to respond. I guess it works the same way with the gay issues. Some of you might remember Leanmean was pissed at me for what I thought was an innocuous reference I made several months back. I apologized but she still hates me. Oh well!
Nicky my brother, I certainly wouldn't say you overreacted given what I just said.
As for Quinny, I don't think he meant to be racist though he may be. That is not important to me because people are entitled to feel and believe however they please. I also strongly believe in freedom to make choices. Just as Quinny is free to be, I believe Nicky is free to choose not to associate with him.

[NickNack]

Originally Posted by efunk_adelic

Oops I forgot to give opinion.


First of all Nick, you are a moderator and in the middle of the drama unfortunately. As far as being over sensitive? maybe a little. You jumped all over my ass once..... I was like :o and :roll: I thought of leaving the forum... but, I'm not gonna be a pussy just because the wrong words were said to me. :D (this is my experience and not a pun intended for anyone who might take offense).

You think this is bad... try hangin' out in a NFL FOOTBALL forum. it gets real ugly there.... especially because I root for a pathetic team.

Quinny can be obnoxious .... but he doesn't lie or try sugarcoat his opinions.

Thanks for responding efunk and thanks for clearing me on Rodmann2. Also, I'm not a sports fan so I don't get to clash in that element :) . So, your take is I might have been too sensitive here, am I right? If that is true, do you at least understand why a Black person would or could be offended by such a comment? Especially coming from someone who constantly reminds you how intelligent and articulate he is? I don't know Black people who talk like this, therefore, Quinny's "attempt at being Black" is ridiculous. Why would anyone take a "shuck-n-jive, slave-nigger" speech tack to describe the music of this or any group? There was no reason whatsoever for the statement.

BTW --- I don't remember jumping on your ass :) . I hope you at least came back at me and told me to chill if I was out of line.

[markydefad]

Not being Black, I'm never gonna be able to know just what that feels like when ridiculing comments are made. I'm not sure how to respond. I didn't think it was that offensive when I first read it--I think it's more who's saying it than what was said. I don't really get how Shakatak's vocals are equated with Amos & Andy shuck-n-jive verbiage. (Steely Dan's witty comments were priceless, however).

This leads me to a question. Sometimes I used "ebonics" to caustically comment on stuff in the Hip Hop/Rap community. The "she be" type of stuff. Is that offensive? :o

Nicky has always been a warm & welcoming soul here. I've always liked him. Quinny has always been a pain in the ass--but he has his right to free speech. As long as Bernie permits it, I guess. Fantomas was banned. This seems less disruptive than his constant fight-picking.

NIcky, is it possible to just avoid Q--and agree to disagree on everything? He likes to lay Limey turds on most of the threads. I just try to ignore him. I think the only thing we have in common is that we both like "Give It To Me Baby" by Rick James. But he does keep it interesting. Steely Dan handles him very well. Sorta with a bemused tolerance. Like the "problem child" that just needs attention. So you think "Oh, no he DIH-INT"...but you realize, "Of course, he DID...he can't help himself". But that's your call.

I'm amazed about all this "pm-ing" behind the scenes. Don't no one (well, few) p.m. little ole me.

[NickNack]

Originally Posted by paul

My take as another African-American/Black man.
I kinda remember reading this and I brushed it off. In part because I wasn't sure if Quinny meant to be racist. As Black folks we often come across racist ignorance and it becomes a threshold thing. By threshold I mean responding requires diverting your time and focus away from something else that is important. Depending on how bad the racist issue was, the amount of crap you recently heard and your overall state of mind you might feel it's necessary to respond. I guess it works the same way with the gay issues. Some of you might remember Leanmean was pissed at me for what I thought was an innocuous reference I made several months back. I apologized but she still hates me. Oh well!
Nicky my brother, I certainly wouldn't say you overreacted given what I just said.
As for Quinny, I don't think he meant to be racist though he may be. That is not important to me because people are entitled to feel and believe however they please. I also strongly believe in freedom to make choices. Just as Quinny is free to be, I believe Nicky is free to choose not to associate with him.

Thanks, Paul. I knew as a Black my position would more than likely be clearer to you. I'm also listening to the way you handled it and why. I will admit that I am not one to let things like this slide off. Too many past scuffles with ignorant rednecks and college-educated bigots. Shit has to be called for what it is. When the day comes that I can get up, go out and not be reminded that I am "just a Black man" to a lot of people, I'll start feeling differently.

As for Quinny being or not being a racist, I couldn't care less. What irks me is that a so-called intelligent and caring human being might have considered an apology, even if no offense was meant. I've done it. I'm sure others have too. When I've said or done something that bothered someone else, and with good reason, I've had no problem saying excuse me. It's not about being 'pc' or any other crap. It's just about showing some common decency. Not here. Tell the guy he essentially just spat in your face and he'll tell you to change your position because it's not his fault.

Sorry to hear that Leanmean is still ticked with you. I remember that incident. I think I stayed out of that one.

[efunk_adelic]

Originally Posted by NickNack

Sorry to hear that Leanmean is still ticked with you. I remember that incident. I think I stayed out of that one.

Maybe if Paul wasn't such a horn "dawg" she'd still be posting.. :lol:

Paul gets my vote for biggest "ho" of this forum. :P

[NickNack]

Originally Posted by efunk_adelic

Maybe if Paul wasn't such a horn "dawg" she'd still be posting.. :lol:

Paul gets my vote for biggest "ho" of this forum. :P

:lol: :lol: Oh, brother, they've got your number!

[NickNack]

Originally Posted by markydefad

Not being Black, I'm never gonna be able to know just what that feels like when ridiculing comments are made. I'm not sure how to respond. I didn't think it was that offensive when I first read it--I think it's more who's saying it than what was said.

I'll concede that. The person saying it didn't help matters at all.

I don't really get how Shakatak's vocals are equated with Amos & Andy shuck-n-jive verbiage.

That makes two of us.

This leads me to a question. Sometimes I used "ebonics" to caustically comment on stuff in the Hip Hop/Rap community. The "she be" type of stuff. Is that offensive? :o

No, because 'we be' that way, sometimes.

Fantomas was banned. This seems less disruptive than his constant fight-picking.

No where near that serious.

Nicky, is it possible to just avoid Q--and agree to disagree on everything? So you think "Oh, no he DIH-INT"...but you realize, "Of course, he DID...he can't help himself". But that's your call.

Looks like I'm going to have to, but only if it doesn't affect the moderating. If I find myself being unfairly biased as Quinny has said I'll have to stop. It wouldn't be fair to him or anyone else if I just sat back and let the barbs fly because I don't particularly care for them.

[efunk_adelic]

What's so sad... is not everyone in the world is gonna get along...

It would be really cool to meet each other someday... get to know one another, make appologies... have fun, go to lunch/dinner/dancing/drinking/drugs... go back home... then start all over again in the forum. :lol:

[markydefad]

Originally Posted by efunk_adelic

What's so sad... is not everyone in the world is gonna get along...

It would be really cool to meet each other someday... get to know one another, make appologies... have fun, go to lunch/dinner/dancing/drinking/drugs... go back home... then start all over again in the forum. :lol:

Well I do think several of us tried to get some members of this board to come to the Trocadero Party...but few did. :(

[originalbigm]

NIcky, is it possible to just avoid Q--and agree to disagree on everything? He likes to lay Limey turds on most of the threads. I just try to ignore him.

Ditto! Nicky your insight and contributions to this site are better served by not getting dragged down to the level of myopic individuals who only see the world in their own cynical, angry way and wish to jump all over someones opinions that are posted formeaningful discussion.I applaud you for calling individuals up on issues and you as a moderator should.There are others here who see things for what they really are and support you. Let's get back to keeping the focus on what this site is about and what Bernie wants it to be.Insight and education about one of the greatest genres of dance music.

[markydefad]

Ya know I still get a weird sensation when talking about limiting someone's free speech. I've been brought up to believe that everyone has the right to state their beliefs no matter how alien or repugnant they may be to me. I can try to counter their opinions--but should not censor them. Then I read people saying they left this forum because of needlessly insensitive and rude comments. :(

Sometimes I think controversial comments are micromanaged by the moderators. I think "oh a little controversy is healthy and keeps it from getting stale". Leave em alone...and let's have fun. :roll:

Then things can get out of hand and people leave forever. Some people you never miss...others you do. :-?

I think most everyone here has had an altercation of some type with you-know-who. Some have truly been incensed by his comments. :evil:

If he's driving intelligent & informed people away--what's the point in defending him? Either behave or go away. :x

This isn't rocket science. It's supposed to be about the love of music--not belittling people's inferior taste. If people can't express their tastes here without fear of snide comments...what's the point of the forum?

We have a very small group of regular posters--many visit; few really stay to contribute. Nicky tried playing "Welcome Wagon" host to the newbies. Something seems to be standing in the way of acquiring new contributors. What could that be?

What to do...what to do??? Only Bernie knows the answer, I guess.

[paul]

[quote="efunk_adelic"][quote="NickNack"]

Originally Posted by paul

Maybe if Paul wasn't such a horn "dawg" she'd still be posting.. :lol:

Paul gets my vote for biggest "ho" of this forum. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I was on an evangelical mission to convert Lean :lol: Oh well, just another who sees me for the slut that I am :D