Discussion on MyPlay.com is shutting down permanently within the General Entertainment forums, part of the Non-Music Discussions category; Alright this is about the onhly hot potato which isn't too hot for the forum these days :cry: :( (Being ...
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November 19th, 2002, 07:43 AM
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 Alright this is about the onhly hot potato which isn't too hot for the forum these days :cry: :( (Being Politics and Religion is out) So I now I am a little bit late for this and all but all I want to say is that it is getting worse out there at least with the divx's Right now my most import-video rental store has a bigger variety to offer of underground-American Movies then Kazaa that is quite sad Since I was quite looking dforward to see Greg Araki Triology for free. SO I guess its back to the blockbusters..... What I want to know is if this Media Tax which everybody is talking about is it just for America and Canada or for Europe to If it is for Europe I am seriously beginning to get irritated in the words sense. This is as Idiotic as me paying All the Book Publishing companies. Because if I buy a Printer or Blank Paper I might be using it as a Media to COPY and HERE COMES THE DREADED WORD SHARE with fellow people. Maybe I should be made to pay 50C evertime a boil some maccoronie or spaghetti since it was Italians that came up with this product.... And Maybe I should have to pay The Chinese government everytime I eat noodles since this is a Chinese invention. (Japan and others most be owning the Chinese a lot of unpaid money) Maybe I should go around taxing people everytime they imitate John Travolta in the dance club. This is by far the most ridiculous tax ever....... Solution By a Lifetime supply of EMpty CD's and MD's now....  |
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#47
November 19th, 2002, 08:41 AM
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| Alright what really pisses me off is the fact that Quinny think I want to spend my time looking for this obscure music just so that I feel more "Special or Better" the la masse This is by far the most incorrect assumptions I remember searching for one of the most rare tracks in my country before mp3 hit it big. (6 years back in time) Take Randi Crawford - Streetlife 90% of the forum knows this song here. But in my country it is rare First of all I had to go to this soul-guru in a second hand record shop. For someone to explain to me that the song I was actually looking for was Randi Crawford. That took me about 3months to do. Secondly once in possesion of the artist title I had really tuff finding the CD. Becausre of my life long commitment of never purchasing a CD for more then 12$ importing was out of the issue. Even the new CD usually cost atleast $15 in my country given how they love to evelate the prices with time they are now at almost 20$ as new. That left me to searching Record Stores. And Second Hand Sales and Salvation Army and all that jiff. That was not fun it was time consuming and unfruitful after searching for the cd for over 2.5years. I finally found it on and mp3 trading site called mp123trade.com or something like that. I downloaded it and was very happy that whole week not because I had found what I had been looking for for so long just that I had found new means to find any obscure songs I wanted. Sicne That Day I was forever thankfull searching for Dusty CD's was a thing of the past. By the way before this I used to be cheated by Second Hand Record sellers and Bazar Clerks to buy CD's consisting of pure Shit. Like Kool and the Gang. Live Recording from a concert (very poor quality) And All of the songs were modified from their original nice sound to some commerical 80's pop style to fit the matching era. Example of another CD I still Have Jackson 5 titled 5. A CD cositing of poorly produced covers of other artists like SMokey and the Drifters. Completley lacking because of big holes in production. The Best Example is perhaps when you buy a Compilation: And its got all these good songs which you heard at your disco. You think wow this is going to be great. But once you put it on its just the same studio band taking up different artist names to produce covers of the originals. SO With these so called traps in mind How is the average music enthusiast ever to overcome the barriers of becoming a music collector when everything that happens is that he ends up getting robbed for his money by buying a lot of shit CD's because he likes Jackson 5. But he didn't know that those songs were just a bunch of poorly produced covers because he never had a chance to lsiten to it. To More I listen to these arguements the more convinced I get on File Sharing. I am backing Up My Whole Mp3 COllection right now its going to be like 12CDs. So even if they try to shut shit down I will always have mine HOLD YOUR OWN "Blood of a Slave Heart of King" (A Dumas) (wondering) Will I have to pay Royalities for using that line :-? :roll: |
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#49
November 20th, 2002, 08:06 PM
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You know, I think I have the same Kool & The Gang dreaded CD. It's called "Greatest Hits Live" or something like that. I already seen it like in 8 different covers and with other names too, but always the same order of songs ("Too hot" lasts like 9 minutes and all). Sounds like an Eighties recording, but of course no dates nor musicians info. In fact, I saw the band live four years ago and it sounded much better... Another case for me was a CD compilation I bought because it contained "Stop in the name of love" by The Supremes. It WAS The Supremes, but in an Eighties re-recording of the song (with that "choof choof" drums...) In Argentina, the problem is that the local houses of the big labels (say PolyGram, BMG, etc.) only release some home-made "disco" compilations once in a while. They'll never release a good Supremes compilation -like they do in the USA- because it's not "a seller". Same with most disco acts, and even new CDs by people like Joni Mitchell or Leonard Cohen. So, you have to look for the import in the small stores... which charge like 25-30 dollars each because they're imports. The worst came this year, with the depreciation of our peso. Now went from "one peso = one dollar" to 3,5 pesos per dollar, which have some good consequences for the country and all, but now the import CDs cost like 20% of my month income! Obviously, in a way none of the above has real "blame" for this. In fact, the poor guys in the import stores do not know what to do now. Many of them are offering -in a low voice- to copy their own CDs for sale themselves (!) because they know at those prices they are fairly unsellable. Funny, huh? I'm not arguing here. Just telling you guys the facts in these banana republics... :)
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#50
November 28th, 2002, 04:17 AM
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| Managed to get around to reading some of the topics on the Board over the past few days - at last ... I definitely do NOT think that such discussions should be deleted (provided there are no personal attacks) - a very dangerous precedent and totally un-democratic. Having read all the posts in this thread, I think that the MP3 / file sharing debate has actually moved forward - in terms of debating the split between the downloading of new music (which can hurt the record companies) and us lot downloading/sharing old redundant (as far as the record companies are concerned) music which probably does not hurt them so much.... Very interesting - and some good points there, m'thinks Remember that if the record companies don't give people what they want, people will simply go out and find the music elsewhere... whether it be via second-hand records or file-sharing. You all know my view on this by now that you cannot buck the markets .... I think the record companies should realize the latent demand out there for old product ... maybe they don't have to go to the expense of releasing Cd's but they could make product available for download on the web ... it seems that they are a bit slow in recognizing the potential of new technology. They only see it as a threat, but with every threat there is also an opportunity ...... :)
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#51
November 28th, 2002, 05:58 AM
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| Jazz: I know I wrote earlier that a previous post was my last, but I just had to comment (you know me by now). :lol: The one problem that the record companies face is that because tracks have been made available for free or for next to nothing, how would they now be able to justify a download charge to those wanting to access the material? The number of dot.com failures has made everyone realize that there is not a fortune to be made on the internet yet. In a downward market (and you can't go any lower than free), consumers are loathe to pay more than before. How can that be squared? Or should it be absolutely free? I don't think so. |
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#52
November 28th, 2002, 09:59 PM
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| had this discussion Had this discussion with a LAwyer Friend of Mine I pretty much Crushed his arguments I mean how can you lease empty CD's That is like We would start paying Holywood for because we buy Video Tape And think about the Video Recorders how many movies haven't these vicious machines recorded over the years..... And what about the paper industry and photo copying machines I mean The Book Stores have been losing toons.... In the end I concluded that all music should be made free... Artist that were big names during the 80's are just filthy rich and get money and power that was never destined for a person who is being an #Entertainer# in Society. I came to the conlcusions that Artist should be allowed to make money of Concerts and in Additions they can sell Special CD's. I think The Record Company sould rethink the whole CD concept from and change from Quantity to Quality. Print Original CD's that have superior durability. And include more in a CD. Then a shitty transparent plastic cover (which always breaks over the years). And at the most a small paper booklet and some paper on the backside. Instead they could make cd's with metal casing booklets with maybe a hadwritten Signature of the Artist inside. The Booklet should not be thin but inlcude valuable information. a thorough biography and discography. Maybe the Artist Recommendations etc.... Covers/Casing should be covered with different materials such as perhaps Manchester, Denim, Silk, Velvet or even fur or feathers. Maybe inlcude a Poster in the Cd Casing. This would make the reason for a original CD so more substanial and furthermore it would make the copy far more inferior. Instead a CD which costs less then 1DOllar (the material) to produce and it sold at 15times this price. No wonder There is a market for Pirate CD's a Pirate CD costs probably a bit more to produce since its not printed in the same quanity as the original. And somehow the Pirate Retailers manage to keep the end price down to just below 3dollars. quite amazing. And in the pirate CD you get the same casing the print on the CD is reproduced along with the CD cover and the front. The BOoklet almost always reproduced but lacks some pages. SO for a lot less money one gets the same product. The Problem is that some greedy oeople want to Keep CD Prices Up. How to Increase CD sales they ask? Put the Price down at $6 per CD. And people might start thinking about paying doubble for the original CD. But my long time theory is start making CD's that cost as much as leather jackets...... People will buy a few and be happy and the artist will have to have his prime income as concerts and not belting out CD's I mean Copyright Law Is a Strange thing since Each member of the Society grows up learning to imitate whats around him. The samething can be said about musicans.... My Cousin and Her husband have been professional Muscians their whole lives.... they play the Violine their Orchestra ranks among the top10 Phil harmonic Orchestras in the world. They have hardly made a dime off royalities They make their money off concerts And so should all artists..... This would bring back the Artists and throw out the buisness men........ |
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#53
November 29th, 2002, 12:44 AM
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Why do so many people think that only live music is "serious" or that only live music should matter? Film and theatre are two entirely different experiences. There are great stage actors who seem terrible on film, and vice-versa. That doesn't necessarily make them bad actors, just actors who work better in a particular medium. One doesn't dismiss an entire film because it uses special effects or edits that could never be recreated on stage... so why do people judge music this way? Using your music analogy, do you think all films should have free admission, and only stage performances are worthy of selling tickets? And let me guess, it should be no more that $1 per ticket. :roll: It is high time that people realized that live and recorded music are two different things altogether. Just because one can be a straight recording of the other (just as there are films of live performances, like "I'm The One That I Want"), doesn't mean they all have to be that way. Let artists make the most of each medium. As for the rest of your largely incomprehensible rant... you have missed a lot of factors, such as -- Classical musicians don't generally compose the music they play, and it falls under public domain, so right there the royalty factor is halved. There is usually no publisher involved, no songwriter to pay, etc. -- Classical music is also generally regarded as best experienced live, as this is how it was intended to be performed. Recordings are a fairly recent phenomenon in terms of the history of classical. Since most of the material is public domain and can be produced relatively cheaply, there are LOADS of Classical releases out there. Something like 25% of all titles in print are Classical, but they only account for 5% of all sales. -- While there have been a few interpretations designed specifically to make use of the studio as an instrument (Glen Gould, Wendy Carlos, Tomita, etc.) the *vast* majority of Classical is simply a live performance captured to 2-track tape. -- You think a CD should only cost $6? Here's what you do: start up your own independant label. You can make music with little more than a home computer these days. Now, press up a bunch of CDs, and see if you can even cover your costs at $6 a disc. By saying that all music should be free, you're saying that all music is worthless. I don't see how anyone who claims to enjoy music can agree with this statement, unless you're incredibly selfish or have some bizarre entitlement complex. The only music that "should" be free is what you can play with own hands and voice. Beyond that.... your reasoning is so flawed that I can't even think of where to go next with this. So I won't. |
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#54
November 29th, 2002, 12:48 AM
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| Oh, and by the way... You seem to think that all musicians are filthy rich for their efforts. Do some reading, will you? There's no shortage of stories of artists that sold millions of records but wound up with nothing after the labels took their cut and the bills were paid. A handful of artists have enough business savvy and longevity to get some big bucks out of the system. The rest all get screwed. |
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#55
November 29th, 2002, 06:19 AM
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I mean look at this I am not writting that muscians are filthy rich. I am certainly not thinking it (your telepathic abilities must be failing you my friend :) :LOL: ) All I am saying is that if a Muscian sells a million cd's and ends up flat broke after 2 years. Then there is something seriously wrong with the music industry. (A Point we all seem to be utterly aware of) Who took the money The Record Companies The Eternal Greedy Pimps of the Artists.... So why shouldn't the artists free themselves from this menace.... And just leave the record companies to their own? A Record Comapny without artists is like a pimp without tricks an empty shell..... There has to be a revolution in the music industry.... and for everytime they try to keep the free music movement down they only make it stronger....... it will arrive....... |
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#56
November 29th, 2002, 06:23 AM
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Was actually considering this But the Cartel Oligopolists would profit from me having an indy lable Because now they get 10% from all the blank records I would purchase!?!?!? What kind of f#cked up philosophy is that.... That I buy empty CD's and I have to pay the major RC money. It is a crazy philosophy which will be the doom of them However that is a topic for another thread |
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November 29th, 2002, 09:16 AM
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