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[Bernie]

Quinny,

Let's put a stop to demeaning statements like "grow up"... I'm not going to tolerate that kind of behaviour on the forums. Show some respect to your fellow members and discuss the issues only, or I will start deleting your messages.

[Ricardo_Mata]

Bernie: How comes you don't tolerate Quinny's comment asking people to "grow up" but you do tolerate and actually seem to encourage much more offensive comments made by others in other topics? I understand this is your site and you can run it any way you choose but it sure would be nice to see everybody being treated equally.

Maybe this time I will get an answer from you... or maybe I'll get banned!

[QUINNY]

Bernie: So Funky can demean the whole record industry, use terrible language and that's OK?
Graham: No I don't sit here trying to get you riled. I thought we were having a debate.

[Funky Dude]

I know my my comments and use of coarse language is over offensive but when I'm really really angry, this is what's gonna come out of my mouth. It's really difficult to discover new music that I like without listening to sound samples or downloading. When I go to markets, dumps etc... to buy my records, I have to pick wisely because I don't know whether a record will sound good or crap. I've even missed good disco albums in the past because I didn't know if they're disco or not because I had no knowledge of what the songs were like. I have to rely on guesswork by seeing if the band members have got afros to assume the album is disco/funk. And sometimes I get lousy albums when using guesswork eg. I bought this Phoebe Snow album, because she had an afro I assumed she was disco but when I listened to it, it was nothing but very boring slow love songs so I sent this album spinning like a frisby STRAIGHT to the Salvos.

Anyhow enough of myself repeating my boring crap and getting to the point. Bernie has made it a rule that we are allowed to use coarse language as long as it's not directed at members of the board and those money-hungry corporates aren't members of the board. The reason why Bernie had a gripe about Quinny telling members of this board to grow up is because it's directed at members of the board. If I directed my coarse language at members of this board then Bernie will go off at me and delete my posts.

I personally think Bernie should delete this whole topic because I've obviously started a flame war with my rage against these corporates using the foulest language, it's my fault. So Bernie, do us all a favour and delete this topic please.

[disco1999]

Sorry guys for changing the topics :roll:

"StreamLoad" appears to be a nice MyPlay replacement whenever you want to upload samples to share, they allow up to 100megs.

[NickNack]

I was really into what was going on between Graham and Quinny until it took a personal dive.

Quinny: FunkyDude ranting, screaming and cursing at the record industry is nothing like you taking potshots at members on the forum because they disagree with you. Bernie hasn't asked any of us to watch our language or not to say rude things on the board. What he did ask was:

NO RELIGION
NO POLITICS
NO PERSONAL INSULTS BETWEEN MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.

What is so difficult about adhering to those simple guidelines? Telling someone to "grow up" as part of your debate is not very "adult", is it?

So, once again, what was an interesting topic is shut off by nonsensical behavior.

[markydefad]

Funky Dude,

On behalf of all Phoebe Snow fans, I DEMAND an apology for your unkind words. Phoebe is a good woman and an excellent singer and if she'd been more conventionally attractive, she'd have had a bigger career. OK, I feel better now.

Never mind.

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OK, I'm just goofing around. You can use Phoebe's "Poetry Man" LP as a frisbee if you want. Seriously, though, I do likes me some Phoebe Snow. :D

[Outsider]

File sharing has always been a touchy subject on this message board. Obviously we're not all going to agree on it, but we do have to respect each other's opinions. Maybe posts on this subject should not be allowed because of all the fighting it causes. That's just a thought. :evil:

[nrgbeat]

I can't see how downloading hurts the music industry with older recordings.

If I find an old 12" single at a flea market, Salvation Army center or even a used record shop, I'm sure the artists and producers aren't going to get a penny for that record. What difference does it make if I download the song?

[Nano]

Nrg, don't bother with that argument: according to Quinny buying used vinyl is also a bad thing precisely because of that (I read it in another topic :o )
There's some sense in what Quinny and others in the past have said about this. The problem with the "royalty" argument is that any royalty, if paid, wouldn't get to the artists anyway. They don't own their masters; labels do. So if even Claudia Barry or Candi Staton wanted to release their own songs on an independent label, they have to buy their masters back to the labels. Well, all this just doesn't sound fair to me!
People with more fame and power like Frank Zappa had realised this and did buy their masters back (sometimes having to sue the labels for them to put material for sale!) Prince also claimed this and, vanity or not, he was right too. You can say "they should have thought better when they signed" and yes, it's true. That doesn't take off the feeling that they've been cheated!
I don't see any problem in these "discarded" artists try to get themselves marketable by any other medium, even if it's free download. But the labels won't let them. So, there are issues other than "I want to rip off the music industry" involved here. Maybe that's more interesting than discussing our right to download or go to an used records store.

[QUINNY]

Nano: You've got the wrong end of the stick.
Artist sends in demo tape or gets noticed by record company.
Signs contract to record under the assumption that he/she will (a) make more money by doing so (b) be made more famous by doing so. Artist owns intellectual rights, record company owns mechanical copyright, 'cos they pay for recording, session musicians, artwork, production of discs, marketing, distribution etc etc. They have the copyright and ownership of the physical product and the items used in its production. Of course the record company deserves to have a cut. They, in the case of disco records especially,take all/most of the financial risk. They also pay to have tapes stored for future needs (whenever that satifies BOTH parties). That's not to say that there have been some very dodgy deals struck, but in all aspects of commercial life there are sharks who will take advantage of innocents. Put simply, record companies have traditionally had the resources, contacts and commercial clout to make stars and sell lotsa records. It's not easy to physically produce and distribute say 500,000 records in a hurry.
I have never said that buying second hand records is stealing (another malicious mis-quote). What I did say is something like, it's immoral to maybe buy a second hand record, copy it to CD or put it on the net, and make money out of it by selling copies.
Buying second hand is accepted by the record companies even though they earn nothing from that.

[nrgbeat]

I agree with what you are saying Quinny, but what if I download an old disco song for my personal use only. How does that hurt the recording industry?

My point is if I bought the same song at the Salvation Army Thrift Center, the artist, record company and the music publishers would not be making any money off of it so how are they losing out if I download?

[Outsider]

Does anyone agree that this topic shouldn't be allowed on this message board? :evil:

[Funky Dude]

Originally Posted by markydefad

Funky Dude,

On behalf of all Phoebe Snow fans, I DEMAND an apology for your unkind words. Phoebe is a good woman and an excellent singer and if she'd been more conventionally attractive, she'd have had a bigger career. OK, I feel better now.

Never mind.

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OK, I'm just goofing around. You can use Phoebe's "Poetry Man" LP as a frisbee if you want. Seriously, though, I do likes me some Phoebe Snow. :D

:lol: :lol: :lol: Mate, I don't hate her music, I just find it un-interesting and it doesn't do much for me. And yes she's indeed attractive too. Throwing it as a frisbee is my figure of speech (I guess you already know that) :D , but I did drop it off at the Salvos though. I've bought far worse records by accident (country records that is) which I have used as frisbees and thrown them at brick walls and watch them smash to little fragments (JUUUUUUUST KIDDING :lol: :lol: :lol: ) although I really want to throw some Kamahl records like frisbees at brick walls, that would be super fun :lol: :lol: :lol: . I just find it annoying spending money on records that suck or are un-interesting.

[QUINNY]

NrgBeat: The argument is quite easy really. Lets say a record company wants to seel a CD compilation. They spend all the money tracking down the records, they pay all the royalties to the various copyright owners. They spend good money to produce the CDs, market, distribute etc.
Now lets say that the CD has 10 tracks and there are possibly 5000 people who would buy the CD because of 1 track. That's 50000 potential sales. However, half those potential buyers find their track on the web for free. Out of those half say to themselves "I have a copy, I don't need to buy one". That's a quarter of potential sales lost straight away.
The other, stronger argument, is this. Why should music be free? Can you get a plumber to fix the pipes in your house for free? Does a car mechanic fix your car for free?
Whether we like it or not, record companies are there to sell records. That's how they make a living.
Why should they and musicians be expected to work for free or sell their most valuable assets for free?