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[Videoskooter]

Originally Posted by paul

Would I like to see Iran get a nuke...I really don't know. I do know if I were them I'd get one. First, Israel has nukes. Secondly, bush named them among the axis of evil

Paul, here you are really frightening me. You are considering whether you would approve Iran having nukes or not. That's scary! I know you follow the news and you read a lot about it.

Have you noticed what the new president from Iran is saying over the last weeks? His comments about the US, the holocaust, Israël, Europe? That guy, his government and his ayatollahs are a living danger for the whole world AND the people of Iran!!!

You trust them more than your own American government????

Paul, wake up man! They are the guys behind 9/11, not the Saudi's. They are sponsoring world terrorism for many years now. They are teaming up with holy Hugo to destroy you and us. Have you ever read what those people are preaching? A return to the middle-ages! Have you ever read what their brothers the Taleban have caused in Afghanistan? Because that's the society they and their leader, über-pig Bin Laden, are aiming for!

And you don't know if they should have nukes??????? Because Israël has nukes? Did they ever use those weapons in all the wars they've already fought?? No!

Do you really think that the politics of left (yes, those of Fidel and Yugo) are the blue-print of a dreamworld for all of us? That's why the USSR was virtually bankrupt, that's why China is moving towards capitalism. Because liberalism and communism doesn't work!!!!! It's humbug Paul! And the people are far more oppressed than by the right-wing governments you despice.

Have you read what's happening in Venezuela over the last weeks? How people are arrested because they expressed different views in the press? Yugo is showing his real face behind the charity-mask. I'm not gonna place links here to articles because you would denounce 'em as right-wing propaganda anyway :D

BTW, do you know what'll also be happening when Iran has nuclear weapons. They'll invade Iraq! They will attack Israël!
They'll team up with Syria and they'll will establish a Middle-East based on a strict, fundamentalistic, oppressing Islam! And then...they will come after the rest of the world, you and me Deal with those people before it's too late! Destroy their nuclear plants now and forever! They're not build for making electricity, even the chief of the Atomic agency has declared that. That guy just won the Nobel-price and he's not really considered as an employee of the US government. Doesn't that make you think? MMmmh?

Oh yes, there was no music in Afghanistan under the Taleban-morons. No Cocomotion! :lol:

[Mixmachine]

[quote="Videoskooter"] I'm not gonna place links here to articles because you would denounce 'em as right-wing propaganda anyway :D

Not only that Video, when you go out take the time and find the articles with undisputable evidence from the "credible" source they required they just brush it aside and/or exit the discussion, just like when I exposed around here Michael Moore years ago fro the fraud he is. That why I say , you find the freaking links ! :evil:

[Videoskooter]

Here's some facts about Chavez-the great tyrant:

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resource...The_Making.htm

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4199

http://militaresdemocraticos.surebas...030107-01.html

And this link pretty sums up all the contacts of nutcase Yugo:

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagaq091.php

Want more????

[paul]

Originally Posted by Mixmachine

Hey American readers, listned to this guy , he wishes our terrorist enemies the best of luck in obtaining Nuclear weapons so they can attack America and destroy your family, this is the kind of members the Democratic party holds deep in there mist, apparently this fool doesn’t approve of the Iraq invasion but yet he’s fine with a all out nuclear war with North Korea. Hey Paul, hit me with some more “pearls of wisdom” please , I’m not having enough fun yet, :lol:
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Mix, your diatribe which I cut down is an excellent example for students of history. Those who are interested in how Nazi and and Fascist states come into existence should study your writings. Your idea of patriotism is not to question your head of state whom you support. You admit to not bothering to read relatively objective sources. Facts are therefore immaterial to you. You rely solely on some emotional drive. It is almost pointless to engage you in any debate. Because I'm a liberal and therefore have an open heart I'll continue with this
Mix, you represent the 30 to 40 percent of Americans who still support this regime.

[Mixmachine]

Would I like to see Iran get a nuke...I really don't know. I do know if I were them I'd get one. First, Israel has nukes. Secondly, bush named them among the axis of evil. Of the 3 nations called out, North Korea, Iran, and Iraq, only N. Korea has been confrontational with Bush. They have nukes. You'll notice Bush is not attacking them. He knows they really do have WMDs

Originally Posted by paul

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Mix, your diatribe which I cut down is an excellent example for students of history. Those who are interested in how Nazi and and Fascist states come into existence should study your writings. Your idea of patriotism is not to question your head of state whom you support. You admit to not bothering to read relatively objective sources. Facts are therefore immaterial to you. You rely solely on some emotional drive. It is almost pointless to engage you in any debate. Because I'm a liberal and therefore have an open heart and mind I'll continue with this
Mix, you represent the 30 to 40 percent of Americans who still support this regime.

really? you must educate me then :lol: it seems to me you have engaged in creative editing to hide the remarks I replied to, your reply has nothing to do with my "diatribe" as you call it.

Can you point to me in your statement above how you are questioning our leaders with your remarks about wishing for Iran to have nukes? our enemy and a terrorist state that chants "death to America" every day

By the way I read your CNN postings and they didn't say anything I didn't hear before.no evidence of any kind was offerd , just hear say and speculation by bias reporters looking for a smoking gun, and your attempts to take the high moral intellectually superior ground is laughable, especially since "fascist" are not very far removed from “leftists” like you.

[paul]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

Paul, here you are really frightening me. You are considering whether you would approve Iran having nukes or not. That's scary! I know you follow the news and you read a lot about it.
Pakistan has nukes and they are no more stable. Look, I'm not a big fan of nukes being all over the planet. I do understand however that each nation has a right to act in the interest of self defense.
Are you advocating that the nations with nukes go to war against the nations that don't have nukes?


Have you noticed what the new president from Iran is saying over the last weeks? His comments about the US, the holocaust, Israël, Europe? That guy, his government and his ayatollahs are a living danger for the whole world AND the people of Iran!!!

You trust them more than your own American government????
That's a huge leap.
Have you looked at a Bush speech lately? Have you looked at any Bush speeches? If his speeches don't bother you then I wouldn't worry about the Iranian leader's speech.

Paul, wake up man! They are the guys behind 9/11, not the Saudi's. They are sponsoring world terrorism for many years now. They are teaming up with holy Hugo to destroy you and us. Have you ever read what those people are preaching? A return to the middle-ages! Have you ever read what their brothers the Taleban have caused in Afghanistan? Because that's the society they and their leader, über-pig Bin Laden, are aiming for!

And here it was, I thought most of the hijackers were Saudi nationals. I din't know the Iranians were funding them. Does the CIA know this? Perhaps you can also show how Hugo is working with Iran to destroy the west.
I was reading about the Taliban long before the right wing nuts decided to use it for their own aims. When the Taliban were executing women in their soccer fields or destroying ancient works ie Buhdda, conservatives couldn't care less. Now their shocked, shocked to find these people were bad!

And you don't know if they should have nukes??????? Because Israël has nukes? Did they ever use those weapons in all the wars they've already fought?? No!

Umm, the only nation to have used nukes is the US. Where do you wanna go with the line of reasoning you are using here?

Do you really think that the politics of left (yes, those of Fidel and Yugo) are the blue-print of a dreamworld for all of us? That's why the USSR was virtually bankrupt, that's why China is moving towards capitalism. Because liberalism and communism doesn't work!!!!! It's humbug Paul! And the people are far more oppressed than by the right-wing governments you despice.

Cuba is a failure. Venezuala is a work in progress supported by the people.
Shall I now turn this around and say the conservative and fascist governments demonstrated by Hitler and Mousillini(sp) are evil?

Have you read what's happening in Venezuela over the last weeks? How ? Yugo is showing his real face behind the charity-mask. I'm not gonna place links here to articles because you would denounce 'em as right-wing propaganda anyway :D

No I haven't read that. Aren't you curious why the only sources you wish to cite are the screwball sites? I'd be happy with an established Belgian news source, the BBC, Knight-Ridder, the AP, CNN, etc.

BTW, do you know what'll also be happening when Iran has nuclear weapons. They'll invade Iraq! They will attack Israël!
They'll team up with Syria and they'll will establish a Middle-East based on a strict, fundamentalistic, oppressing Islam! And then...they will come after the rest of the world, you and me Deal with those people before it's too late! Destroy their nuclear plants now and forever! They're not build for making electricity, even the chief of the Atomic agency has declared that. That guy just won the Nobel-price and he's not really considered as an employee of the US government. Doesn't that make you think? MMmmh?

Ooh, I'm getting goose bumps reading this :o
So umm let's be blunt. Are you advocating a crusade to wipe out all muslims?

Oh yes, there was no music in Afghanistan under the Taleban-morons. No Cocomotion! :lol:

Funny thing here is I'd bet money that the disco sucks people were Reagan conservatives! Are the Taliban and Repuglicans 2 sides of the same coin?

[paul]

[quote="Mixmachine"]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

I'm not gonna place links here to articles because you would denounce 'em as right-wing propaganda anyway :D

Not only that Video, when you go out take the time and find the articles with undisputable evidence from the "credible" source they required they just brush it aside and/or exit the discussion, just like when I exposed around here Michael Moore years ago fro the fraud he is. That why I say , you find the freaking links ! :evil:

The credible sources and links are in your mind.

[paul]

[quote="Mixmachine"]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

I'm not gonna place links here to articles because you would denounce 'em as right-wing propaganda anyway :D

Not only that Video, when you go out take the time and find the articles with undisputable evidence from the "credible" source they required they just brush it aside and/or exit the discussion, just like when I exposed around here Michael Moore years ago fro the fraud he is. That why I say , you find the freaking links ! :evil:

Newsmax is simply trash. There are plenty of legit conservative sources like my local San Diego Tribune you can source. When you are making up stories, the legit conservative papers and news outlets aren't going to run it.
The others offered up were opinion pieces. That can't be called objective sources. In fact even the name of one of the sources said opinion journal. It even tells you what it is :o

[paul]

Originally Posted by Videoskooter

Here's some facts about Chavez-the great tyrant:

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resource...The_Making.htm

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4199

http://militaresdemocraticos.surebas...030107-01.html

And this link pretty sums up all the contacts of nutcase Yugo:

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagaq091.php

Want more????

Assuming I accept the validity of the stories in these links, should they overide the overwhelming majority of voters who elected Chavez? Should it override his continued popular support?

[paul]

Originally Posted by Mixmachine

really? you must educate me then :lol: it seems to me you have engaged in creative editing to hide the remarks I replied to, your reply has nothing to do with my "diatribe" as you call it.
I merely chopped down you post as a space saving measure.

Can you point to me in your statement above how you are questioning our leaders with your remarks about wishing for Iran to have nukes? our enemy and a terrorist state that chants "death to America" every day

Perhaps I can see how you too are misguided. I did not say I want Iran to have nukes. What I said was if I were them (Iranian) I would want a nuke. Do you think chucklenuts would have invaded Iraq if they really had nukes? For the sake of argument though, let's say I did want Iran to have nukes. In your America is my free speech rights a thing of the past?
Are you ready to launch air strikes on every nation whose people exercise their vocal displeasure with the USA?

By the way I read your CNN postings and they didn't say anything I didn't hear before.no evidence of any kind was offerd , just hear say and speculation by bias reporters looking for a smoking gun, and your attempts to take the high moral intellectually superior ground is laughable, especially since "fascist" are not very far removed from “leftists” like you.

I didn't know fascist, who favor strong corporate ties with the government, were philosophically close to leftist. Like so many things from you guys, you just toss 'em out there!

[Videoskooter]

Paul, you make THE big mistake of many lefties. Hitler was a socialist, don't forget that. Nazi means national socialism. And what always bothers me when leftist leaders wanna attack conservatives: they always mention Hitler and Mussolini but they are never, ever, talking about what Stalin and Mao did.

Do you know how many "opponents" they killed. Even more than Shitler. But I never hear our great Red leaders talk about that.

Mmmmh, yes, sometimes, and then they have the nerve to say that it is the price of a revolution for the people.

So Paul, Cuba is a failure and Venezuela isn't? Very interesting! Maybe Yugo isn't long enough in power to have achieved his Fidelistic goals? Coz' he's kissing Castrato's ass every single minute of the day. Give your dear friend some time and you'll see the birth of Cubazulea! Yugo litterally has said: "we are the twins of change". And on the criminal Khadaffi: "Libya is the perfect organisation of a modern state :o :o :o :o :o " Don't tell me that you take a moron like that serious?

So my links are once again incorrect. Glad to see that all the links you place are always the truth and nothing but the truth :lol: I hear the same bull from our Red leaders. They never and I mean never admit that they are wrong on something. They are the keepers of the truth and all the others are frauds. Only they are the best for the common man. You know their device: "Property is theft". BTW, I can place some very good links of well respected sources too, but they are in Flemish, so that's a bit of a problem we have here.

So explain to me: how come that so many of them are convicted of fraud and corruption. Remember Belgian Willy Claes, former leader of the Socialist party and ex-chief in command of Nato? He disgraced our country when he was convicted in the Agusta-affair, together with a lot of party members. Must be a conservative conspiracy, no???? Instead of helping the common man, they all were filling their own pockets :evil:

Our party was never convicted you know. We were never involved in such scandals!

President Bush's speeches don't scare me, no. The ones of the Iranian president, one of dear Yugo's best friends, horrify me indeed!

The overwhelming support for Chavez?? Damn, Paul, do you know the number of people that actually bothered to go vote. If a republican president would be elected with that result, you would call it fraud :lol:

I never hear you react to the fact that poverty has risen since Chavez' presidency. Not a great result for a fraud that's claiming to be the common man's prez! oh, probably I get the wrong statistics from my right-wing buddies :roll:

Paul, I'm damn sure that you are a very caring and social guy but I'm afraid that in your conquest for peace, justice and egality, you're betting on the wrong horses.

[paul]

Paul, you make THE big mistake of many lefties. Hitler was a socialist, don't forget that. Nazi means national socialism. And what always bothers me when leftist leaders wanna attack conservatives: they always mention Hitler and Mussolini but they are never, ever, talking about what Stalin and Mao did.

So, let's work on 4th grade social studies. Don't confuse socialism in the nazi term with what hitler or the nazis practiced. I believe history has shown that what the nazis operated was a form of fascism. In fact the biggest opposition (when allowed) to the nazis were the socialist parties. The fear of big business were the socialist/communist of the period. They supported the nazis.
As a sidenote, guess who was a big nazi supporter? Grandpa Bush. Like the Godfather of the bush crime family, Prescott Bush supported the nazis during and after WWII.

Do you know how many "opponents" they killed. Even more than Shitler. But I never hear our great Red leaders talk about that.

Mmmmh, yes, sometimes, and then they have the nerve to say that it is the price of a revolution for the people.

Liberals have discussed the muderous regime of Stalin. Strictly speaking though, Stalin was a totalitarian.

So Paul, Cuba is a failure and Venezuela isn't? Very interesting! Maybe Yugo isn't long enough in power to have achieved his Fidelistic goals? Coz' he's kissing Castrato's ass every single minute of the day. Give your dear friend some time and you'll see the birth of Cubazulea! Yugo litterally has said: "we are the twins of change". And on the criminal Khadaffi: "Libya is the perfect organisation of a modern state " Don't tell me that you take a moron like that serious?

Obsessed with Fidel and Chavez I see. I believe I posted a few months back that among other things, these men are dealing Venezualan for Cuba supplying doctors.
As for the "Libya is the perfect organisation of a modern state " , I did a quick search of that and came up empty. Can you source me. If it's Newsmax, then don't bother.

Glad to see that all the links you place are always the truth and nothing but the truth
The difference is, I try to provide links to known organizations like CNN. I'm pretty sure they can be found at other places like ABCnews, Fox news, perhaps even the BBC. Most of what you've given me is opinion and or stuff specific to that cite, ie Newsmax.

President Bush's speeches don't scare me, no. The ones of the Iranian president, one of dear Yugo's best friends, horrify me indeed!
Is this rationale? Venezuala and Iran have no nuclear weapons or a military force capable of threatening the US or Nato. Shrub on the other hand has behaved like a petulant school boy. He has demonstrated his willingness to use the military, torture, and spy on his own people.

The overwhelming support for Chavez?? Damn, Paul, do you know the number of people that actually bothered to go vote. If a republican president would be elected with that result, you would call it fraud
Huh? A republican president did worse and is still in office thanks to our one party state!

I never hear you react to the fact that poverty has risen since Chavez' presidency. Not a great result for a fraud that's claiming to be the common man's prez! oh, probably I get the wrong statistics from my right-wing buddies
I never talk about it because it's misleading when presented as you have. Even my leftist sites agree that it is higher than when he took office. However, for a period before the strikes and coup attempt, it kept trending downward. It rose significantly after the strike and coup and is now trending downward. It is anticipated to be significantly lower by the end of '05.

Paul, I'm damn sure that you are a very caring and social guy but I'm afraid that in your conquest for peace, justice and egality, you're betting on the wrong horses.
Thanks Johan. It's not a matter of betting on a political horse, it's supporting convictions in line with my ethics. To leave this world no less hospitable than when I entered it, to support the elevation of humanity, and to encourage more freedoms while discouraging wars whenever and where possible. A big thing to do but like the old saying goes, think globally act locally.

[Videoskooter]

Damn Paul, I've got some great stuff here from well respected Belgian press like Knack Magazine but it's in Flemish of course and I don't think you know our language :D You know, I read some of the American press but mostly I read articles in my native language so that's a bit of a problem.

You're right on the fact that Fidelio and Yugo don't have nuclear power but....their friends and allies have or will have them and then you get a dangerous situation, you know that very well!

Suppose that Iran will have them (and they are speeding up to it) and considering that the fundamentalistic lunatic that is currently president over there will use it as a ticket to fulfill his crazy dreams. Why shouldn't he provide it to his fellow-moron Bin Laden or place them in Venezuela or Cuba????

That's a real danger that you have not spoken of till' now. I say we got to stop them now before it's too late. So is Pakistan. You're also right on the fact that we have to be very careful with providing them military technology and weapons. They are constantly at war with India and that's a very fragile situation over there.

I don't agree about the statements you make on Nazism/Fascism. If you carefully exam Shitler's politics you'll find many ideas thyat are widely considered Socialist. Leftist leaders like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot also had their genocides, you know that very well. Yugo and Fidelio also are not taking human rights very serious and they are never criticised by our Socialist leaders.

Steve Stevaert, ex-chief of the Belgian Socialist party and now governor has said after his visit to Cuba and his meeting with Fidelio that he was enchanted by him, his politics and his creation of the almost perfect society :o :o :o :o

Is this serious? So Cuba is the blue-print of peace and democracy????? Hell no :evil:

I would be in jail or worse when I would write or say this over there. You know that very well. Paul, you are still replying in this topic so you are clearly not arrested, that's the point I'm making. You can agree and follow the ideas of your leftist gurus but if you take a close look you'll discover that the way they're trying to achieve their goals is not so honourable!

You can have all the fun about the situation in Iraq but were the Iraqis so much better under the rule of Saddam? I don't think so. Who is fighting the American troops over there? Not THE "Iraqi people" but militants from the Ayatollahs and people who were making big bucks by kissing Saddam's ass.

Chavez doesn't have much power on the oil-market??? Venezuela is one of the big players and it has large amounts of the brown gold. So by connecting to the Middle-Eastern governments he can indeed rise the prices! If they decide on a boycot you'll have to push your Pontiac

They won't, not this moment no. They want to get the common man behind them and target the Western governments. Once they would succeed in that (which they'll never BTW) they will re-organise society and you'll be following their stupid and dangerous rules and then we'll see if a discussion-board like this will still exist :o and if we would be able to freely express your opinions. We still can under president Bush you know :lol:

[paul]

OK, in closing bush would love it if he could be a dictator. He's already said as much. As I mentioned previously, he's been spying on Americans and he admitted it yesterday. The only thing that's keeping this republic a republic are the checks and balances put forth by the constitution. In a one party state and with a guy that despises the constitution, sometimes it fails to work.

[remicks]

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........ unfortunately this is not a matter of being diplomatic ... in these fascist times in America , where incredibly our President righteously proclaims his right to torture people the world over as well as the unaccountable right for the gov't to spy on its own citizens whenever it wants .. ... I suggest everyone would do well to sign off their critical commentaries this way... Be aware: Big conservative Brother is watching and if you are determined as being not with the program and therefore unamerican ...... there will be the need for consequences ....

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