Isaac Hayes : Don't Shaft

[Disco Funk]

Originally Posted by soulsta

hi I don't get to post often but I love the site. I saw quinny's post about the song there was a time. there was a live version and a studio version. but I got excited at the fact that that song was brought up! that is truly one funk classic. :D

If you're talking about the James Brown vocal version, there never was a studio version. The 45 was taken from the Apollo performance. There were a couple of instrumental covers he did with the Dee Felice Trio, with a more jazzy feel, and an awesome break in the intro of one version.

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[soulsta]

ohhh okay--maybe that was it. thanks guys yall are soooo cool! Iwill also check out the link. thanks disco funk. I made a mistake on the song feelin strong however on my last post --I thought it was by the midnight movers but it is made by someone else. but I like a couple of tunes by the midnight movers as well. as a matter of fact yesterday morning I pulled out my midnight movers lp to check the song out. it does have a shafty issac hayes sound effects type of feel. thanks quinny.

[remicks]

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I'll just build my case slowly......

Putting some records away ....and here's Isaac's 1980 AND ONCE AGAIN LP .....with the DON'T LET GO meets Rick James sounding song I AIN'T NEVER . Also the pretty-disco styled song LOVE HAS BEEN GOOD TO US ... could mix nicely into GONE GONE GONE .... Johhny Mathis ( I looked for John Davis' name on this. It isn't. The original disco man had no trouble producing/ arranging this AIN'T THAT ENOUGH FOR YOU sounding number ........himself . )



Anyhow's ... on the back of the album's jacket ....Ken Smikle from Record World magazine says .........

It isn't difficult to trace some of the major influences on the music of the seventies ( read disco ! :P ) back to Isaac's HOT BUTTERED SOUL album of 1968 ........


:P :P :P

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[remicks]

Marky's latest compilation has just one turnover in the chart's TOP 10 .....

Out goes one string laden song .... LOVE HANGOVER ....
To be replaced by another ......Tavares' HEAVEN MUST BE MISSING AN ANGEL ..... ...

can you imagine the flowingly angelic imagery of that song sans the heavenly strings .....;)


TOP TEN disco songs with strings remains at 90% ......


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I should mention too that Isaac Hayes continues to be represented on the current chart with :

16) SOUL MAN – Calhoon
(Warner/ Spector 7”/ 12” promo REMIX disco disk 5:48.) (14 points/ C)

------ a song he cowrote with David Porter some ten years earlier .................


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[Disco Funk]

Originally Posted by remicks

Out goes one string laden song .... LOVE HANGOVER ....
To be replaced by another ......Tavares' HEAVEN MUST BE MISSING AN ANGEL ..... ...

These two songs also featured some of the same West Coast/LA session musicians. I can with 90% certainty say that its the same drummer (James Gadson) on both tracks.

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[remicks]

Originally Posted by Disco Funk

These two songs also featured some of the same West Coast/LA session musicians. I can with 90% certainty say that its the same drummer (James Gadson) on both tracks.



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Drummer , shrummer ........ what I want to know is ....is that the same group of talented musicians on both these songs providing those killer disco defining strings !! ........




Now .....on to the issue beiing investigated here ....... that being whether Isaac Hayes is the true original disco man .....
Well I already commented that Barry White would be a better candidate for the title rather than the self-proclaimed James Brown .....so this Rolling Stone comment seems most relevant :

I’m not one to quote the idiot as#ho*&#s from Rolling Stone …… but in this case, I’ll refer to the geniuses ….

Their book : ROLLING STONE ALBUM GUIDE has this to say about Isaac Hayes :


OK ……y'all ready ……

------ "Shades , dashiki , gleaming bald pate: Isaac Hayes cut an imposing figure during his early-70’s heyday . Hard to believe that the hulking auteur behind the ultra funky “THEME FROM SHAFT “ was actually a Barry White prototype, given to steamy bedroom raps and lush orchestration ………"


To be continued ………
….and it gets much better …… 8)

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[remicks]

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and now to continue ...... from :
ROLLING STONE ALBUM GUIDE



----- " However Hayes shouldn't be written off as a period oddity . His rambling soundtracks and full-blown cover versions had a big effect on soul music ... broadening and softening the instrumental palate ...."

Gee, .... that sounds familiar ..... just like what remicks has been trying to say .....:roll: ;-)


Rolling Stone has still a little more to add to this discussion about Isaac Hayes .... the original disco man .... ... and what they say yet is the absolute capper :-o :p...... le crème de le crème .....



which will be provided here to review .....

........................................ in the next post :-P :razz: :-P !!



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[marmite7]

Putting JB or Isaac Hayes aside for one minute, where would you place Sly Stone in the mix?


Dance To The Music has to be the first disco record (ok, with some heavy funk bubbling away), but you cannot deny the overall feel is pure jump-up disco!

Sly gets my vote ;)


PS: Anyone remember a cover version of this tune by French Fries? Played at Northern Soul events and great fun :)

[remicks]

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Originally Posted by marmite7

Putting JB or Isaac Hayes aside for one minute, where would you place Sly Stone in the mix?
:)

------ :o


Ahemmmm :roll:............er, I'm going thru great pains to solidify my point here Marmite ! ;-)


but ......
if anyone wants to include Sly Stone in the debate ...... well .... Linda Clifford !! ( Shoot Your Best Shot ! ) ;)

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[Disco Funk]

In other words, you can't just credit one person with the creation of the genre of music known as 'disco'! :) You got Sly, James, Isaac, plus Motown deserves a lot of credit. If you really want to go for a driving beat, tracks like The Beatles' 'Got To Get You Into My Life' and The Stones' 'I Can't Get No Satisfaction' are great discotecque tunes.

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