What's the last song you've downloaded from Audio Galaxy?

[DJ P]

On 2002-06-22 15:06, Nano wrote:

Excuse me DJ Phil, but you don't mention sending checks to the labels whose recordings you taped for your friends. If you didn't, I'm sorry pal but you were STEALING, that is you made copies of music and distributed them without paying. Read my post again. The RIAA doesn't care who is your friend as long as they don't receive money for the copy!
I'm looking for your personal address so the cops and Lars Ulrich can stop this menace and destroy that dangerous tape recorder!
Uh, have a good day too!

Uh, I always have a good day. The tapes I made were for fellow WORKING DISC JOCKEYS. We all traded tapes of our mixes and had friendly 'battles' on tape who could create the best mix. Since we all dealt with the music PROVIDED BY THE RECORD COMPANIES to us through our record pools and all worked in clubs that PAID THE LICENSING FEES TO THE LABELS it helped up keep our Discos that we worked in 'tops in pops'. All of our tapes were USED IN OUR PROFFESSION (DJ'ING IN A DISCO/NITECLUB) vs made by the local highschooler who gave it to a friend who made another copy, who made another and another and another:(. We used MUSIC PROVIDED BY THE LABELS, MADE TAPES FOR OTHER DJ'S TO LISTEN TOO AND PROMOTED THE MUSIC FOR THE BUYING PUBLIC.

[Discomanic]

I would agree with DJ Phil if the music is available then buy it. However, as most of you know and DJ Phil...a lot of the disco stuff is not available nor probably will never see the light of day. I would like to see a lot of it in it's original 12" format. And now my questions to you DJ Phil:
1. DJs selling obscured/promotional copies on Ebay. Do you think this is fair? I don't.
2. Does the DJs share their winnings with the artists? Very doubtful.
3. I've never heard of Discos paying the licensing fee (I've asked some club owners).
And who would police them up if they had to?
4. How does used record stores reimburse the artists, record companies on used records?
5. Like you, I would like to see artists only share in this new technology.
6. How can you ensure the artists will receive their dues?
7. And the record companies that since have gone out of business how would they get reimbursed?
Just some typical questions you may have some answers to. Thanks.

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-20 05:28, DJ Phil wrote:
Ummm...SUTNOP I really don't appreciate your mocking.

I apologise if you saw it as mockery all I was doing was trying to make you relate to the topic, but obviously it had very little if any effect.....

Also you falsly state that I would download.....WHICH I WILL NEVER DO.

Well has I said the story was purely hypothetical. If you won't download music then that is your problem. But perhaps you shouldn't listen to the Radio or hear other DJ's spin since you haven't paid for the benefit of hearing that song.....

Pay for it otherwise it is stealing. If I go into a clothing store and walk out with a shirt WITHOUT paying that is retail theft (shoplifting).

Who did the artist pay?
They still haven't paid royalities to the Muse that made up music....
I still haven't seen a check going to mount Olympus. ITs funnny you just planely choose to ignore parts of my post.....

If I download a song WITHOUT paying the 'Artist, songwriter, composer, copywright holder, etc. by BUYING the music what will happen to music?

To answer this question it will probably become better less capitalistic and more artistic.

Imagine going to work, making something and have people take if from you for FREE? Forget the time, money and thought you put into it, they want it for free.

YEs Imagine that. Imagine Millions of people downloading the work you have done and appreciating it..... their joy should be reward enough for any artist....
Plus by doing this he gets exposure and he can get paid in other ways such as concerts, TV, etc....

How long would you work at the NON-PAYING JOB BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS DOWNLOADED BY OTHERS FOR FREE?

I know many musicans who have worked the larger parts of their lives for free and they are still happy....

You thought your job would be great, but no one is buying your product, they just download it for free? Capitalists (the majority of the world's economies) survie by making and selling for a profit vs. making and having it downloaded for free and NO PROFIT!!!!

Once again back to the simple thing
ANd this is why you WIll NEver understnad

Music is not a PRODUCT!!
IT IS NOT A GOOD
nor IS IT A MERCHANDISE!

It is a Artform!

which is being occupied by the greedy music industry.....

We must work not to profit from music
but to make it....

If all artists would be as capitalistic on their view of music as you

Then The albums would be catastrophical
They would only print new albumns in order to sell more copies and live on the hype

They wouldn't put their heart in if they knew they could sell anyway with less effort

Music is not a Buisness
it is a Artform

Which has been raped by Capitalism....

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-21 18:38, DJ Phil wrote:

Judges dealing with the 'Napster' lawsuit: "Music is copywright holder's possesion-PAY THEM"

Yes back to the question at hand
who do you said with the artist
or the Establishment

DJ Phil obviously sides with the establishment....

and has no support for the artist what so ever.....

Vinlys, Tapes, Cassetes, CD's, MD's and DVD's

These are just Data Storage Devices
not divine works of art....

we pay to aquire this storage device in a decorated format.....

The Music itself is not being paid for
it is for everyone to listen and to cherish

A Real Artist would rather make a $1000 and have 1 million people hear his music

Then Make 1 million dollars and have only 1000 people hearing his music

But I guess you and Mr. Ulrich will are crafted from the same narrow minded gready material

Lets remind all our Christian Believers hear
that
gread is one of the Cournal Sins

[DJ P]

[quote]
On 2002-06-23 06:01, sutnop wrote:
[quote]


Music is not a PRODUCT!!
IT IS NOT A GOOD
nor IS IT A MERCHANDISE!

It is a Artform!

One question, if music is not a PRODUCT why are there so many CD/RECORD stores SELLING this NON-PRODUCT?

[sutnop]

[quote]
On 2002-06-23 06:47, DJ Phil wrote:
[quote]
On 2002-06-23 06:01, sutnop wrote:

Music is not a PRODUCT!!
IT IS NOT A GOOD
nor IS IT A MERCHANDISE!

It is a Artform!

One question, if music is not a PRODUCT why are there so many CD/RECORD stores SELLING this NON-PRODUCT?

A can answer this easily
They are not selling music
they merley selling the
Storage Device or the Recording of the artform
One is paying for the storage Device and for the design of the albumn and because one wants to support the artist....

But that doesn't mean one should not be allowed not to hear the artist's music if it is not on the internet

A True Artist is Prince
he understands this phenomenon
So did John Lennon

People however who let MR Quincy Jones make their hit records and live on their image such as the Michael J of the 80's.
They are merley trying to exploit people's
desire and addiction for music

The Same way a pusher exploits his customers......

[Outsider]

And then there are those people who don't have much disposable income, like me.

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-23 10:52, Outsider wrote:
And then there are those people who don't have much disposable income, like me.

The Music will not last forever
but as long as its here we might as well share it Together
So lets stop the discrimination and the pain
LEts not tolerate to see the Record Companies Reign

[Blaxman]

Friends, all this discussion about "to sell or not to sell" music made me think:

Let's stop to buy music!!
Let the music to their owners!!
I say, let the music to the record labels!
Let the music on the shelves of the record stores!

Ceasar's properties to the Ceasar!!

At least, without money, that disgusting record labels wont pay the radio stations to play that crappy Britney Spears "music". The musical world would be cleaner!

Peace.

[Nano]

Well, certainly sutnop's post says it all, and the others had also made good points. Obviously I don't agree with DJPhil, but it's important for this matter to be discussed in forums like this one.
We are obviously assisting at some kind of change in the way we perceive and share recorded music, with or without the RIAA's cooperation. It's also obvious that the attempts of the record labels on controlling what we do with a recording at home, when we already buyed it and it's ours (i.e. sharing it with our friends or anyone who looks at it in the web), are biting the dust by and large.
Right now dozens of alternatives to AudioGalaxy are probably raising to replace it, and to shut down all of them they would be obliged to stop all Internet communications (which seems unlikely, with the so-called globalisation and all).
I'm sure many musicians think different to Lars Ulrich, but are afraid to say it, or expecting an unstable future if the RIAA lose. But there's many people already thinking in alternative ways to support these artists. By now they're doing it strictly "off the record", but it's a question of time (see BMG's failed stake at Napster).
Just for you to know, last week I discovered this: in Spain the music, book and film producers receive an annual "compensation for pyracy" fee, from the producers of the instrumental means of that pyracy, that is: xerox producers pay book publishers, video tape producers pay the film industry, and now the CD-R producers pay for the music and software industry.
Well, that's a sign there are alternatives, don't you think?

[Blaxman]

On 2002-06-24 12:41, Nano wrote:

....in Spain the music, book and film producers receive an annual "compensation for pyracy" fee, from the producers of the instrumental means of that pyracy, that is: xerox producers pay book publishers, video tape producers pay the film industry, and now the CD-R producers pay for the music and software industry.
Well, that's a sign there are alternatives, don't you think?

Nano, the best idea that I ever heard about this matter.

BTW, Who cares about Lars Ulrich's crap! There are zillions of artists like him in the world!!! Well, he can be peaceful, I wont download any of his "music". Never!

Peace.

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SENHORES DO GROOVE - BRAZIL

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[sutnop]

On 2002-06-24 10:05, Blaxman wrote:
Let's stop to buy music!!
Let the music to their owners!!
I say, let the music to the record labels!
Let the music on the shelves of the record stores!

Ceasar's properties to the Ceasar!!

At least, without money, that disgusting record labels wont pay the radio stations to play that crappy Britney Spears "music". The musical world would be cleaner!

Peace.

Well it is the fact
that Brittney Spears doesn't make her own music and by boycotting her we won't acheive that much.. there will always be a Christina Agueilera or JEssica Simpson waiting to step into her shoes
if Brittney was to make a scandalous mistake such as for example drug scandal, porn scandal, or something around that those lines

It is disgusting that she tries to play that Lolita image to the max

one artist one did a good impersination of it was the French Teenager Alizee
be sure to check her out kind of a new Vanessa Paradise

Anyways if you want to destroy Brittney Spears you have to tackle the core of the problem in this fact the people who make her music

The Cherion Recording Studio
from Stockholm Sweden
is the most disgusting Music Producing Studio I have ever come across...

it produces music for artists such as
Christina Aguielera
Celine Dion
Brittney Spears
Westlife
Ronan Keating
Backstreet Boys
and many more

basically anything
that screams image and little talent

They are constantly being sued by independant
music writers for stealing their stuff....

and their stuff is very simple all the songs have a core outline and a beat scheme which is nearly identical

One could easily stop them with an 'operation' and the right motivation
Has anyone seen Fight CLub?

[DJ P]

Nano, an excellent idea!! People do copy (why would we have VCR recorders, Double-Dub Cassette decks and CD-R drives in our computers). I have made mixes for Bernie's site in the past, area dj's I knew traded our hottest mixes between each other to show off and I always keep the store bought cassette as a 'master' so when my portable equiptment 'ate' it, I still had it. It's sad though that we incur higher costs because of boot-legging/blac-market copying. This idea of yours might be of intrest to the Record Label/Recording Industry in the U.S.A.. All the best, DJ Phil

[Blaxman]

On 2002-06-24 16:35, sutnop wrote:

...The Cherion Recording Studio
from Stockholm Sweden
is the most disgusting Music Producing Studio I have ever come across...

it produces music for artists such as
Christina Aguielera
Celine Dion
Brittney Spears
Westlife
Ronan Keating
Backstreet Boys
and many more

Good God!!!!!

It seems to be Dr. Evil's headquarter!!! :lol:

BTW, I used the Britney Spears just in example, I could be used many other "screaming" artists. Look, the labels recieve money for the work of some artist from the past, then the labels use this money to pay the radio stations to play "music" from this untalented people!!!! And the artists from the past do not recieve anything! Sad, dont you think?

Peace

[Nano]

Hey Phil, thanks but it's not my idea really, this is being used in Spain right now. Of course, the companies are arguing about how much to pay (it's re-negotiating time) but maybe it's worthwhile.
On the other hand, it was said on CNN that there's a subtle negotiation between Hollywood, the RIAA and Silicon Valley. This time they say a new device will permit the user to make copies to use at home, but not to send them through the web.
Maybe it's called "analog recording".