What's the last song you've downloaded from Audio Galaxy?

[DJ Bozo]

>Pay the artist and record company thier 'due'.

I agree and I do - when I can. When there is something out of print and I can't get it or I already own it but want it in digital format, I'll download it.

If the record companies would make their old catalogs available for download and charge me a fee, I'll be the first one there. Since they don't seem interested in doing that...

[DJ P]

On 2002-06-18 21:07, disco1999 wrote:
My last download from AG was: Silver Convention - San Francisco hustle.

I don't consider myself being a thive. I have never made money like some of you did as a DJ and whining about music thives. I have purchased for my own personnal pleasure, over 1000 vinyls and as much in CD's for the past 20 years, so I don't appreciate being called a thief for downloading occasionally rare music no longer available on the shelves.

Before the internet, people were recording on compact cassettes, plenty of music live on radio and riaa never made a big issue out of it.
While we are at it, maybe the RIAA should start striking on discos making huge money playing repeatedly the big hits they paid the same price as any ordinary fans ?

Dear disco1999, first let me state I am not 'WHINNING'. A thief is a thief is a thief not a 'thive'. Yes I have bought alot of music, even extra copies of what I received free from the record labels. I have taken the time to find those lost gems (record shops, garage sales, fellow dj's, internet...etc.)but have never 'downloaded' music. DJ's are doing work (so yes we EARN money)but not every DJ is making mega-bucks. I started DJ'ing part-ime and worked another day job to make ends meet. Then I worked DJ'ing full-time. I made a decent wage, but nothing more or less than your average full-time worker. Find the music LEGALLY and give the owners/artists thier royalties. All the best, DJ Phil

[Nano]

Hey DJPhil, didn't you have a cassette player one time? Probably you didn't use it for recording music from turntables or the radio (NOOOOOOO that would have been stealing! God forbid!), but probably it was boring having to buy each and everyone piece of music you wanted to hear. Maybe you asked some of your friends to borrow you records or tapes.
Well, if you did that, my friend, you are also against the law. At least in my country, every damned piece of recorded music has a sticker that reads: "selling, recording or borrowing this article is prohibited", this signed by your beloved music industry associations.
The truth is the music industry was always against ANY technical novelty that permits to share the experience of hearing music. They were against open-tape, against virgin cassettes, even against radio and television playing their records. Of course, the latter were "forgiven" when some moguls saw the selling potential of letting the stations promote the music just by letting it be heard... just like AudioGalaxy.
And they would not have any problem with the existence of AudioGalaxy if they could control by some way WHICH songs we choose to download. Their business is not selling ten more copies of 200 new artists each; their business is selling 2000 more copies of one hit record, and that's what it hurts them now: they don't have CONTROL over what we are consuming. Maybe you heard BMG has a stake on their mega-enemy Napster?
And about artists: there's a thousand other ways to make a profit than a record deal (which, by the way, don't mean profits for them; it means promotion). Have you heard about live shows? Fan clubs? Merchandising? Or the State, for that matter?
What do you think musicians did for a living before the recording technique existed? (That's 95% of the time since Jesus was born.) The problem is not that Metallica wants to make music for a living; the problem is Metallic want to keep living as superstars, to be superstars. Because they know record labels only want superstars and would drop the rest if they knew how to sign stars only.
WAKE UP, PAL!!!!

[Outsider]

Like I said in another post, I think that file sharing services such as Audio Galaxy actually help the record industry. Since most people wouldn't buy an album from an artist they have never heard, they could download some songs to hear what that artist sounds like, and if those people like what they hear, they may buy that artists's albums. This especially applies to obscure artists, who don't get any radio airplay. So downloading sound files is most likely the only way for people to hear them. So that's why I'm for file sharing services.

[DJ P]

Nano, Yes I have a cassette deck-in fact 3 hooked into my mixing system. I have given friends copies of music I have received through the record pools but I have never posted copies on a site FOR THE WORLD TO DOWNLOAD!!!!!!!!! That is the major problem. The copies I gave were to other DJ's vs. every music loving teenager that can't afford the price of a cd on thier part time job. I have found music on the web,record stores and in the newspaper. Those copies I cherishes. I have NEVER download a STOLEN copy that an artist has preformed, sold and heard in a niteclub. You are ONLINE so find the sites that you can legally BUY the music and stop slandering me. Good day and good bye!

[nrgbeat]

Not all of us are teenagers who can't afford the price of a cd. I would certainly pay to download music provided the fee wasn't unreasonable and the site had the music I liked.

Us non-dj types don't have easy access to promo records and dj services (Disconet, Hot Tracks)and a lot of the older disco/dance songs are long out of print. That's why I download.

I don't live in a big city like NYC or LA where a lot of this music is more readily available. Mail order is expensive, sometimes unreliable and internet sources like Ebay are great only if your the winning bidder. I bid on Disconet releases only to be overbid.

If the record companies want to start making these rare and older tunes available to the non-dj community for downloading, I'll be happy to pay.

[sutnop]

On 2002-06-19 17:06, DJ Phil wrote:
Nano, Yes I have a cassette deck-in fact 3 hooked into my mixing system. I have given friends copies of music I have received through the record pools but I have never posted copies on a site FOR THE WORLD TO DOWNLOAD!!!!!!!!! That is the major problem. The copies I gave were to other DJ's vs. every music loving teenager that can't afford the price of a cd on thier part time job. I have found music on the web,record stores and in the newspaper. Those copies I cherishes. I have NEVER download a STOLEN copy that an artist has preformed, sold and heard in a niteclub. You are ONLINE so find the sites that you can legally BUY the music and stop slandering me. Good day and good bye!

To me it appears odd
that a person that has given so much of his life to music still can't see through
the shallow excuse the Recording Companies
make in order to Close Down AG

It is as Nano says
And I have tried to say

The Record Companies were against Television in the beginning because they thought it was bad. Then They understood it could be used as a marketting tool. AS long as they had a saying in the control of what was playing.

Internet is Interactive
thus meaning that there are two end to end users able to have 100% control of what they are sharing and downloading without the record company having a share.

THIS IS WHAT THEY INDEED HATE!!!!

Because if you look at the rare artists
SHeila and the black Devotions for instance
you will be able to directly download maybe 3songs
listen to them throughly and think, damn that stuff is what I am looking for, I am going to look up the whole album on AMazon or some other site and order it cause its worth all the shipping chrages and the etc...

While take a 'superstar' artist. a Very temporary shallow one for instance Spears.
if you search Spears you will be able to find all the songs she ever made, the unreleased ones, the remixes, hey even the instrumentals and acapellas to most of them.

And Naturally some tennage girl say 13
lets call her MAry; infatuated with Spears will download some of her songs instead of buying them since they are so easily accesible.

Then MAry will listen to them a couple of times and maybe by accident stumble accross her older brother's/sister's playlist and start playing something more soulfull lets say Alicia Keys.

And then Mary will think
after listening to Brittney songs a couple of times it just gets worse and worse

While after listening to Alicia's song the one that didn't sound all too great first time she heard her brother/sister playing it. The songs becomes better and better.

Mary will think that Brittney I have heard enough of and it all someones the same shallow and boring,
while this Alica Keys might actually have soething to say.....

most probably Mary will buy the CD of the less commercial artist. She will also go on a JOURNEY of discovery, to the new horizons of music she just acciedently stumble apon.

Mary will listen to Lauryn Hill, maybe that will lead her to Aretha Franklin from Aretha Franklin she will rediscover the old lable Atlantic and all its lost gems
from Atlantic she will find the old Motown gems

Mary will follow Motown and Atlantic from its country soul sound to its Disco Funk era.

Mary will feel that this music not only her temptation
but perhaps salvation.

Mary will go on to re-discover the whole lost Disco Era.

Go to a Forum and start talking to DJ's such as Phil
who will forever mock her for not buying but downloading the songs....
and regard her as asimple groupie of the disco era....
Blame her for not being born 2 decades earlier........

BEfore Mary had got soul Music these kind of comments would of broken her...

But Soul music has made her Strong and Independant
Disco Has made her Happy and Optimistic
and Funk has made her Creative

So Mary mounts a crusade... she gets together some people from her circle of friends have grown to love the same kind of music. They take the old hits that they have downloaded from their computer for inspiration and create a whole new
soulful disco funk sound that feels so fresh and so intoxicating...
Anyone who listens to it wants to hear
more,
Rapidly Mary Records which almost only exsists through the Internet starts growing people want more they get heaps of fan-mail
free Donations from their fans.
A Promoter contacts them and says that he can arrange a concert tour.

People start hearing
People start beliving
PEople start creating
this new sound Disco and Funk is reborn
and
DJ Ph
at first very sceptical to this new sound calling it fake and not ginuwine. Can't hell but to also start appreciating, so he tries to buy their records but to his amazement they are not to be found not on amazon not in his favorite funk/Disco store altough the owner is a strong devotee to Mary Records.

So DJ Ph still feels he has a urge to satisfy by acquring this new sound. So he goes to the Internet and is indeed forced to download it for Free!

A month later MAry Records fan club recives a posted letter. in the Letter their are 3 bills 1$, 5$ and a 10$ bill the approximate cost of a CD. there is also a note which reads:
Hi Mary
My sincerest apologies for Mocking you and thank you for rediscovering paradise
Dj Ph

This story is highly Hypothetical
but that doesn't mean that it can not occure

So lets not let the moguls choose in what direction music should venture

but the creative force within ourselves

[DJ P]

Ummm...SUTNOP I really don't appreciate your mocking. Also you falsly state that I would download.....WHICH I WILL NEVER DO. Pay for it otherwise it is stealing. If I go into a clothing store and walk out with a shirt WITHOUT paying that is retail theft (shoplifting). If I download a song WITHOUT paying the 'Artist, songwriter, composer, copywright holder, etc. by BUYING the music what will happen to music? Imagine going to work, making something and have people take if from you for FREE? Forget the time, money and thought you put into it, they want it for free. How long would you work at the NON-PAYING JOB BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU MAKE IS DOWNLOADED BY OTHERS FOR FREE? You thought your job would be great, but no one is buying your product, they just download it for free? Capitalists (the majority of the world's economies) survie by making and selling for a profit vs. making and having it downloaded for free and NO PROFIT!!!!

[Blaxman]

Excuse me, I'll not enter in that legal discussion. But, I have any questions flying into my brain right now! :???:

What kind of profit a record label have if they not release its older titles? The labels keep them locked in a dark room and nobody can listen to them? Where is the profit here?

That labels are paying the artists that they keep unreleased?

Music is culture. Can we treat culture like a merchandise, a simple product? Anyone can be the owner of any culture?

In fact, I dont know the answers. That's why I'm asking you. :???:

Peace.

[Masdefi]

The last song downloaded?
The Blackbirds, "Walking in rhythm".
This song remember to me when I was flying from St. Louis to JFK last march...

[Outsider]

Dj Phil, what about someone like me, who doesn't always have the money to buy albums? Actually, it's rare that I do since most of my money has to go to other things. Often the only way I'm able to hear a lot of music is to download songs. Besides, I mainly downloaded songs from obscure artists, ones whose albums are often hard to find (for example, I have never seen a Suffocation album in record stores). And as you know, I'm not going to buy an album from someone I've never heard whether I have the money or not. I've already stated my opinion of file sharing services in another message.

[Spacer]

John Lennon said:

"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."

:lol:

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[DJ P]

On 2002-06-21 04:12, Spacer wrote:

John Lennon said:

"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."

:lol:

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Judges dealing with the 'Napster' lawsuit: "Music is copywright holder's possesion-PAY THEM"

[Nano]

On 2002-06-19 17:06, DJ Phil wrote:
Nano, Yes I have a cassette deck-in fact 3 hooked into my mixing system. I have given friends copies of music I have received through the record pools (...) The copies I gave were to other DJ's ...

Excuse me DJ Phil, but you don't mention sending checks to the labels whose recordings you taped for your friends. If you didn't, I'm sorry pal but you were STEALING, that is you made copies of music and distributed them without paying. Read my post again. The RIAA doesn't care who is your friend as long as they don't receive money for the copy!
I'm looking for your personal address so the cops and Lars Ulrich can stop this menace and destroy that dangerous tape recorder!
Uh, have a good day too!

[jam master jay]

I think the main issue here is availability of this music. I downloaded some rare gems from AG, only because there was nowhere to buy them. And, as someone said, AG and similar services are helpful in deciding which albums are really worth your money. At today's typical CD prices, who is stealing from who here? The music industry is dying, and file sharing could be a boon to them, but they are too ignorant to capitalize on it.