NEW MUSIC SUCKS & IS UNORIGINAL!!!!!!

[DJ Jimmy M]

Ok...just have to post this here...heard a song by Atomic Kitten called "Be With You", all it is is a total rip off of ELO's disco hit "Last Train To London". What is it? Dont people know how to play instruments or write songs anymore?? GIMME A BREAK!! :evil:

[NickNack]

:lol: :lol: Why would the recording industry demand any kind of original talent from its artists when the buying public doesn't seem to give a s**t?

[paul]

Hey Jimmy. Most of us here bemoan the state of American popular music. I have on a few occasions bought cds that are new that were either in or thought I might like. Regrettably, I end up not liking 'em much after a few weeks :(
I agree with Nicky. The kids today aren't into what we're use to. They are content with mp3s and basic unimaginative hip hop. :o

[QUINNY]

Sorry guys, but I reckon that some of the sampling is incredibly clever and it's sometimes interesting to hear a completely different melody sung over the top of well known riff. Wasn't Disco simple compared to Classical/Jazz/Prog Rock/whatever, according to the pre Disco generations? You're all sounding like grumpy old men. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree it's a shame that hardly any dance music is 100% original nowadays, but that's what happens when the record industry gets to be soooo fragmented, through everybody wanting their own musical niche to be fuelled, in order to satisfy their egos and a feeling that they are somehow unique and special. We wanted more choice.........and now we have exactly that, only it's a greater choice of mediocrity. Almost anybody could release a record today and make it pay. Someone, somewhere will like it.
Great music comes from selling millions of copies, NOT 5000.

[DJ Jimmy M]

How many copies are sold dont say wether something is good or not LOL....C'm aannnnn Quinny, your starting to sound like the mainstream masses people there :lol:

As for this horrid song I was talkin bout...the chorus is the same as the ELO track..only verses are different in lyric.

[Studio74]

I think that coming with something new in musical terms is becoming virtually impossible...I do like a lot of modern stuff, but most of the times i like it because it´s some form of recreating music from the past...Presently i´m very into this new Electro stuff,but i confess that i like it because it reminds me of the old stuff...lots of this stuff is derivative from Giorgio Moroder,Patrick Cowley,Human League,Depeche Mode,Yazoo,Bobby O,New Order,Arthur Baker,Prince and lots of Electro-Pop,Hi-NRG,Italo-Disco and Electro/Breakdance Old School Hip-Hop and sometimes it evens brings memories of stuff by Joy Division,Blondie,Duran Duran...and of course plain old Disco (most of these genres wouldn´t exist without Disco).I´m also very fond of the Filtered Disco stuff,but also because for me was/is a way of living the Disco years, because at the time i was too young to go to Discos (remember i was 6 years old in 1980...).But of course for me the original sources are very superior to any Filtered-Disco track.And when i go to more forwarded minded places at night, i hear a very agreeable mixture with the new sounds and the old sounds...for instance last thursday i went to Lux (Lisbon´s best nightclub) and heard James Murphy from LCD Soundsystem/DFA playing a great set,playing old and new stuff...I heard him playing Cerrone´s Give Me Love,Bohannon´s Let Start The Dance,Salsoul Orchestra´s Ohh I Like It (The Love Break),Police´s When The World Is Going Down,Old School Hip-Hop,Clash´s This Is Radio Clash,new Electro stuff,some Électronic Disco stuff i´ve never heard in my life (and couldn´t tell if it was new or old)...It seems to me that the way forward is to mix the old with the new...but let´s say that i don´t like seeing good tunes being destroyed by some lousy artists,like a Celine Dion´s song where i heard samples of Blondie´s Heart of Glass or that Simply Red tune that used Hall & Oates´s I Can´t Go For That...

[K-Bee]

I wouldn't write all new music off as being terrible just like that. To me it's just a matter of seeking out the good stuff by doing a bit of research - it's definetely there! Just don't look for it on the charts or the big labels.

Loads of good stuff are still being released. The wave of soulful house music is crammed with excellent releases....and quite often free of tedious overused samples as well.
....and then there's Jazz obviously. The current jazz scene (acoustic stuff - not smooth jazz) is in a rather good shape I believe, with many a good artist doing business.

I'll agree that most of anything else is not worthy of any attention though. That includes Atomic Kitten!!

[darrens]

To the person who bemoaned the state of American Popular Music - don't worry, Atomic Kitten are 100% British!

I actually quite like the song "Be with you" which was a hit last year over here. Whilst it does recycle an old favourite of ours admittedly, the way in which it does it is far more original than just a straight cover version.

Plus, you just can't help liking Atomic Kitten, if you've seen them you'll know what I mean. And I'd take their disco-pop over and above boring "R&B" music anyday! 8)

[QUINNY]

"DJ Jimmy M"]How many copies are sold dont say wether something is good or not LOL....C'm aannnnn Quinny, your starting to sound like the mainstream masses people there :lol:

Jimmy: You're confusing good music with what I wrote...Greatness. A track can be very good music indeed, but if it has no commercial appeal, what ultimately is its worth? Music is all about communication, nothing else.

Great music is by definition music that appeals to the masses. Music that can do that has to have a certain calibre, whether or not you're willing to accept it.

What I meant was this. If music is suffering it's because it doesn't have sway over the emotions of the masses anymore. Great music is music that is of a good quality BUT is also commercial enough and/or compelling enough to entice millions of people to WANT to buy it.
Now, you ain't gonna have that no more with fragmentation (read indie labels) that we currently have and bands willing to only fill small niches that punters create with their narcissism.
You can have your freedom of choice so long as you realise that it will ultimately produce dross and what was once radical/fashionable becomes the norm. Look at it this way.
There was once a time when every man in the UK went to work in a proper shirt, a proper pair of trousers, a proper pair of shoes etc, a type of uniform. We rebelled and said "no..we want to wear jeans and T shirts if we want to and trainers. Alternatively, we want to be seen to wear only designer gear". Now, that's the new uniform 'cos almost everybody wears that. There's no denying that in absolute terms the old fashioned shirt, trousers etc were of much higher sartorial quality than present day wear. So through having more choice and exercising it, what have we really gained?
The same with music. We have all these 'designer' music styles now, but they all lack a certain amount of substance and therefore, greatness.

At least, I think that's what I mean. :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW: Didn't Alec R blatantly rip off clasical music riffs and repeat the same type of riff in many of his masterpieces? Don't try and deny it.

[QUINNY]

in error

[DJ Jimmy M]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

BTW: Didn't Alec R blatantly rip off clasical music riffs and repeat the same type of riff in many of his masterpieces? Don't try and deny it.

He didn't "rip off" cause he played the music himself and not played a tape of the original and tried to say it was his own..big difference

And the only songs he did that in was in the horrble final domestic LP of his which is by far..no masterpiece..maybe a piece of somethin else :lol:

[K-Bee]

so how to define the term "ripping off"??
All those Mash-ups (I believe that's the correct term) currently doing business are really beginning to get on my nerves
However, surely ripping off this is not confined to the "art" of sampling alone. Didn't Walter Murphy rip off Bethoven? And how about Meco & John Williams? Vanilla Ice & MC Hammer, Bach & Händel?! This has been going on since the days of gregorian chant singing! Only difference is....we're enligtened consumers now (I mean us here at DM - unfortunately not in general), who dare question the quality and content of what we hear, simply because we have the possibility to do so thanks to the technological evolment.

[DJ Jimmy M]

Vanilla Ice and Hammer..those are a good example of my defenition of rip offs (Queen even sued Vanilla). Walter Murphy..thats simply a remake done a different style playing their own instruments...people get the point of what I mean yet? :lol:

[markydefad]

Yeah, it's the SAMPLING that's the bonafide ripoff. Lifting the rhythm track or bassline line or something directly from another record.

I would guess composers have been inpired by and thus sorta "copied" other composer's works since the beginning of time. Costandinos would fit in that category, I think.
George Harrison got sued for unconsciously "lifting " the melody of "My Sweet Lord" from the Chiffon's "He's So Fine".

I was amused the other night while shopping at Amoeba when they were playing that " he my baby's daddy" rap song that lifts all the music from the Emotion's "Best Of My Love". The clerk was making the other employees guess the original tune. Finally he started singing "Best Of My Love" and they other kidz go "ohhhhh, that one." And then he says, "yeah, they all rip off the 70's stuff".

From the mouth of a "generation Y-er". I kid you not.

[paul]

Originally Posted by markydefad

I was amused the other night while shopping at Amoeba when they were playing that " he my baby's daddy" rap song that lifts all the music from the Emotion's "Best Of My Love". The clerk was making the other employees guess the original tune. Finally he started singing "Best Of My Love" and they other kidz go "ohhhhh, that one." And then he says, "yeah, they all rip off the 70's stuff".

From the mouth of a "generation Y-er". I kid you not.

Marky, i think you summed up it up perfectly. I don't remember dancing to a reworded version of Fats Domino's Bluberry Hill.