NEW MUSIC SUCKS & IS UNORIGINAL!!!!!!

[SandraDee]

Atomic Kitten apparently were (note 'were' as they are no more) the brain-child of Andy McClusky of OMD fame; I find it amazing that he had the cheek to slag off SAW for making purile, tacky music when he comes up with something infinitely worse! :x

[QUINNY]

Originally Posted by DJ Jimmy M

Vanilla Ice and Hammer..those are a good example of my defenition of rip offs (Queen even sued Vanilla). Walter Murphy..thats simply a remake done a different style playing their own instruments...people get the point of what I mean yet? :lol:

Except more people would recognise Rick James' Superfreak because of it being sampled by MC Hammer, than ever did BITD, even though it was a sizeable hit then. It bought the tune to a whole new raft of buyers, who woud have been lining the pockets of Rick James as much as (or even more than) MC Hammer.

Walter Murphy was absolute crud!!! How anyone could have been taken in by that load of tosh is beyond me. It's one of the few records that made me ashamed of Disco. IMO, that was ripping off and cashing in, of the most diabolical order and I was still relatively young when it came out. Gawd, when I hear it on the radio or in Saturday Night Fever, I don't know where to hide my face. It's that embarassing.

This whole "all sampled music is crap" is Bullshit IMO. Some of it is crud, but a lot of it is appealing in its own way and without a doubt has contributed to Disco and Funk still being able to breathe a few breaths. Without the sampling that's gone on, Disco especially, would be completely dead in the water by now. Make no mistake.

[Paulo]

90'S & 00'S dance may be full of crap, but there is a lot of good music around:

DEEP HOUSE is great: 8 to 10 minute songs in which the vocals (when they exist) play a small part. There are sax solos, trumpet solos, keyboard solos everywhere. Much is programmed, much is sampled but most of it is played. Very good stuffe.

Some 8 or 10 year ago I bought a CD (THE FUTURE SOUND OF PARIS)... very good Deep House music.

[sirius]

Dear Friends!
About classical rip-off:The musician has to know music-
notes, that he can rip off a classic-tune like Beethoven,
Tschaikovsky or Gershwin!!! You wouldn´t believe, but I
discovered through ClassicDisco-RipOffs the real classic
music and heard that stuff in the early 80ies.
But that´s a big difference with the music nowadays...be-
cause they rip-off tracks like GARY NUMAN"Are Friends
Electrics" for Sugarbabes(this is really shocking!!!) or
BEYONCE sings "Love To Love You Baby". ROBBIE WILLIAMS with "You Only Live Twice", a.s.o.
Between rip-offs from ClassicDisco to commercial sampling
in MainstreamShit of nowadays there is a big difference.
What I sometimes enjoy is FilterDisco or new edits from
Originals treated with big respect like tracks from Lenny
Krivit, Bob Sinclair, MAW or Dimitri From Paris.
Cosmic Love & Kisses From SIRIUS & DARKTUNES...

[QUINNY]

Originally Posted by sirius

Dear Friends!
About classical rip-off:The musician has to know music-
notes, that he can rip off a classic-tune like Beethoven,
Tschaikovsky or Gershwin!!! You wouldn´t believe, but I
discovered through ClassicDisco-RipOffs the real classic
music and heard that stuff in the early 80ies.
But that´s a big difference with the music nowadays...be-
cause they rip-off tracks like GARY NUMAN"Are Friends
Electrics" for Sugarbabes(this is really shocking!!!) or
BEYONCE sings "Love To Love You Baby". ROBBIE WILLIAMS with "You Only Live Twice", a.s.o.
...

Sorry, Sirius, but I don't see any difference here, except classical composers are more likely to be dead and therefore easier prey for would beez. Nobody can sue their ass off and they get to keep all the royalties from the record sales. Yeah, that's really better than ripping off LTLYB et al.....NOT!! I admit that the ripping off is possibly more cynically done nowadays, but..........that's as far as I'll go.

[Forrrce]

Never thought I'd turn into my parents, but I guess it's unavoidable. Funny - you realise you're getting old when you don't understand under-30s and Top Of The Pops is an assault on the ears. I myself find most of today's 'music' vaccuous, unchallenging and to be honest, absolutley pointless.

I'll have to disagree with the 'real instruments in house' thing - much deep house is extremely boring to my ears. The aimless, soulless, robotic noodling-by-numbers (solos?) irk me especially. That's not what house is about. These useless kids think owning a copy of 'Headhunters' gives them license to inflict their version of jazz on the world. Can't sing, can barely string two notes together - what exactly can they do? They can f**k off.

[buckaroo]

Originally Posted by DJ Jimmy M

Vanilla Ice and Hammer..those are a good example of my defenition of rip offs (Queen even sued Vanilla). Walter Murphy..thats simply a remake done a different style playing their own instruments...people get the point of what I mean yet? :lol:

Didn't Rick James sue MC Hammer? Because he sampled "Superfreak" for his "Can't Touch This" megahit, and didn't acknowledge poor Rick who was in the slammer at the time.

[QUINNY]

Originally Posted by Forrrce

I'll have to disagree with the 'real instruments in house' thing - much deep house is extremely boring to my ears. The aimless, soulless, robotic noodling-by-numbers (solos?) irk me especially. That's not what house is about. These useless kids think owning a copy of 'Headhunters' gives them license to inflict their version of jazz on the world. Can't sing, can barely string two notes together - what exactly can they do? They can f**k off.

This is exactly what my dad would have said about the Beatles et al, only with different names and genres. I agree that music has become even more formulaic, but any version of Jazz is better than none. With any luck these same guys will grow up, learn their trade and then make some decent music in their late 30's/ early 40s when they're a little more mature. That they're showing an interest (albeit maybe transitory) in Jazz should surely be encouraged, no? So long as they're hip to it as a genre, they may end up digging some of the great stuff.

[Rab]

I agree 100% that today is horrible! It seems on those few occassions when a new song comes out that is at least listenable, its usually European...something like Dido or Amber. There is no talent out there today. What a laugh, to think somebody like Beyonce thinks she has talent..ha ha

[Graham_Start]

Originally Posted by buckaroo

Didn't Rick James sue MC Hammer? Because he sampled "Superfreak" for his "Can't Touch This" megahit, and didn't acknowledge poor Rick who was in the slammer at the time.

1. He was furious at first, but then his lawyers explained that a deal had already been made. When they told him how much money he was making from it, he went home smiling.

2. "Superfreak" certainly was acknowledged by Hammer; Rick James' name appears on the songwriting credits.

3. Rick James was not in jail at the time "Can't Touch This" came out, IIRC.

[ALBATROS]

Quinny said:

This is exactly what my dad would have said about the Beatles et al, only with different names and genres. I agree that music has become even more formulaic, but any version of Jazz is better than none.

I would not completely agree with that;
First The difference between Beatles and stuff played before
was quite different, as compared with - for example disco and funk versus modern house or rap/r'n'b. It was REALLY generation gap, but we - you, have enjoyed music which can as type be put in the same category as "modern" music based on 4/4 beat (mostly). The point is, I have never stopped listenning to "new" music, so I can see and feel the
difference as the time goes. But novadays it is obvious that music makers making absurd out of it. It's like a cream on the cake. Someone looks at the cake and thinks; that's what they want - cream. Why bake a whole cake, if you could make whole out of cream? So he thinks, thats a good idea
and start making cakes consisting ONLY out of cream. But you cannot eat only cream- at least not for long time. We liked the cream on the top of the cake because it was wery little of it . That's the point. I'ts not only music, it's literally everywhere ; Special effects in the movies, fashion, etc...
It has more to do with obvious trend now - to make as much money as fast as you can, and since lot of people obviously thinks that for making music you really don't need talent - maybe PC and some money .So here we are overwhelmed with hundreds of different music directions,
coupled with great industry trying to sell all kind of stuff trough it . A great new world. :cry:
ALBATROS

[Videoskooter]

Atomic kitten's version of ELO wasn't that bad though I prefer the original of course. It's not a bad thing that a lot of producers use samples from vintage disco but sometimes they are lazy and un-original, that's the real problem. DJ Hell's cover of "Copa(cabana)" is an example of creative sampling and French producers Bob Sinclar, Dimitri From Paris and Alex Gopher do magical things with some old grooves. And over here in Belgium, 2 Many Dj's, Glimmer Twins, Jan Van Biesen and Junior Jack brought the good old magic disco to a new and young audience that is searching the recordshops for classic stuff now. So, maybe it has a good side on it too.

[Studio74]

I like some of the Junior Jack´s productions a lot.Da Hype and Stupidisco from his later album are great tunes,although they sample Bobby Orlando and The Pointer Sisters respectivily.I also like some of the Filtered-Disco-House stuff like Bob Sinclar,Daft Punk,Alex Gopher,DJ Sneak,Gene Farris,etc.

[HustleBaby]

Originally Posted by Rab

What a laugh, to think somebody like Beyonce thinks she has talent..ha ha

I STRONGLY disagree with that statement! I'm not crazy about today's performers either however you cannot take away any credit from Beyonce. Have you ever heard Beyonce sing? She is one of the few (and I mean FEW) acts of today that can sing WITHOUT music. If you can't hear a great voice coming out of that mouth, than you must be deaf or in denial. She sings and performs very well, unlike Jennifer Lopez's dancing skills and ass which brought her fame & wealth. If a shaking and flaunting a big ass can bring home millions like it did JL, black women should have been millionaires a loooooong time ago :lol: :lol: !!!!!!!

Europe is not the only place that delivers today's best talent. The black community is filled with talented people who unfortunately are going along with the hip-hop trend and/or afraid to take chances and be different. I feel that some of the singers have the wrong songwriters/samplers and music styles for their voices. You want to know who can't sing and is a perfect example of ripping people off ..................BRITNEY SPEARS! From the beginning of her career, you can see the Janet Jackson influence something terrible! Now Christina Aguilera can sing but she has become so damn nasty.....I'm tired of seeing her too.

BTW - I like Dido! :D

*DISCO DEEE-LITE*

[Videoskooter]

I totally agree with this. Beyoncé is one of the few new talents around.

I respect everybody's taste but when I look around and see that most of the new gods come on stage, do their playback-routine and ask lots of money for doing this I get a little bit sad.

When I go to see a concert, I expect real musicians doing their thing and not to see some mannequins playing the same cd I have at home. I totally enjoy Prince and Jamiroquai but I saw Britney live and hey, I'm sorry, beautiful girl but that's it. Never again will people drag to me to that sort of performances again.