First extended disco

[Marcio**]

Thinking better, there's an extended version (or full version) of "The Love I Lost" by Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes but I never put my hands on it. The year of release is 1973. I heard only the pt. 1 like many people.

I'm pretty sure there's an extended version of "Get Dancing" by Disco Tex & The Sex-O-Lettes (1975).


marcio

[jazz_pilgrim]

I think that Beethoven was quite well known for his long versions! I reckon that beats you all by a couple of centuries! :lol:

Creative Source waaaay too long? Waaaay to short you mean. I could dance to that hypnotic beat for hours. To my ears, it is still a sensational and ground-breaking record to this very day. And Greg, when I first got a CD player two years ago, Classic Funk Mastercuts was one of the very first Cds I bought - just for that Creative Source track! I do have Telstar Seventies compilation where they have cut down the Creative Source track to less than two minutes ...

On a German compilation I have a five mins plus version of James Brown - Sex Machine (1970). I guess that must have been a subsequent re-edit (not remix) made at a later date. I will check tonight.

The Stylistics put out a six and a half minute version of People Make The World Go Round on their 1971 LP. It has always been popular in the UK clubs over the years.

[ladyboygrimsby]

To my knowledge, the first one specifically remixed and extended for discos was BT Express's Do It Till Your Satisfied. It was certainly the first that Tom Moulton did and he pretty much invented the disco remix.

I think it's all in the interview I did with him somewhere. It's posted here if you want to check what he said:

http://www.djhistory.com/books/archiveInterview.php

[QUINNY]

LadyBoy: That must be it!

Jazz: The Sex Machine 5 mins + version is probably the LP version that would have been cut into 2 for the 7". I have a 12" with a long version on it. It's merely the two halves of the 7" joined together (i.e. an album version).

NickNack: Working 5 -7 days a week (in 1973/4 when Creative Source came out, I have the US LP - didn't know you were DJing then), at certain periods in my career, I never got to dance to any of the records I played. I've always been a singles guy - short, sharp, exciting. Anything (even Jazz, especially live Jazz - that is a problem as I otherwise enjoy live Jazz) over 6 minutes long and my mind wonders.

Greg: Yeah, one man's caviar is another's salty balls. :lol:

[Nano]

More than six minute long jazz pieces boring? I guess Quinny does not enjoy a jazz concert since some time ago... 1960, maybe :)

[QUINNY]

Nano: Ahem! I don't think I said that, but misquote me, like everyone else would, if you like.
Jazz has nearly always been about extension and lack of form, way before 1960. I just get twitchy when the Bass player enters the 4th chorus of his solo after everyone else has had umpteen chorus solos too. Even Jazz can get jaded, cliched and ,yes, BORING.

When I promoted some jazz concerts a few years back I deliberately asked the bands to play 3 X 40 minute sets rather than the more usual 2 X 60 minute. That way I knew I had a chance of getting maybe 5, 8 minute tunes rather than 4, 15 minute ones per set. See, even Jazzers felt guilty and awkward about playing just 3 tunes in a set.

[zeca azevedo]

Ahhh, the old question again, 45" versus 12"...

I didn't visited the FORUM for a couple of days, but I was thinking about this question just yesterday (do I have nothing more important to think or do these days? :lol: ). I'm probably the only guy 'round here who is into soul'n'funk'n'disco that REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT 12" versions! In fact, I must agree with QUINNY. Ok, the CREATIVE SOURCE song is perfect in its 12 glorious minutes, but this is an EXCEPTION, at least for me. I'm a kind of a 45" lover - for me, DANCE MUSIC (not talking about all kinds of music, ok?) songs with more than 5 minutes get a little boring after a while. I'm more a melody man than a rhythm man, so all this 12", extended versions sounds perfunctory and redundant to me. You guys can call it pre-DISCO sensibility or mentality, I don't mind. Do you want an example? Listen to I CAN'T HELP MYSELF by THE FOUR TOPS. Perfect song, 3 heavenly musical minutes, H-D-H and LEVI STUBBS at the peak of their powers. Now listen to I CAN'T HELP MYSELF by BONNIE POINTER, 45" version. Not nearly as good as the original version, but still OK. Now listen to the EXTENDED version of the same record by BONNIE POINTER... OUCH!!! Horrible stuff. These earlier, 70's 12" versions are nothing more than repetition and adding a few drum breaks here and there - nothing wrong with it, but 9 minutes of the same thing can be boring AND irritating, at least for me. My musical mind was never molded by late 70's DANCE MUSIC standarts - I'm into NORTHERN SOUL, you know? I respect who likes LOOOOOOOOOOOOONGER versions of the songs, but let me tell you, for me nothing is better than this 2 or 3 minutes jewels by MOTOWN and STAX. To do a 12 minute version of a song and succeed is a task for few gifted people, like NORMAN WHITFIELD and ISAAC HAYES (and even these 2 are self-indulgent sometimes). The rest is just "cut and paste" music. When I want to listen to the same thing again and again for an hour and more, I pick my PHILLIP GLASS or my BRIAN ENO ambient albums :lol: .

Peace,

zeca azevedo, give me the 45" version anytime!!!

[efunk_adelic]

Originally Posted by zeca azevedo

Ahhh, the old question again, 45" versus 12"...I'm probably the only guy 'round here who is into soul'n'funk'n'disco that [i]REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT 12" versions[/i

ummm zeca, I'm the same way... I like it all 8) I think any other way would not make me as versatile as I was and now.

But I agree with you guys on 1 point. 8 or 9 minute versions can be boring and at the top of my head, I can only think of 1 song I like all the way thru. Movin' - Brass Construction however, I like the 7" single version just as much 8) . The advantage of the super long version is that you can mix out of the 1st or 2nd break. At least we have that option.

[jazz_pilgrim]

On the 7" v 12" issue I agree with you guys about boring fade-outs to some extent. On certain singles even I wonder WHAT'S THE POINT??! Fair comment! :)

But with records like CREATIVE SOURCE, when on the dance floor I found I just used to get "LOCKED" into that beat, and then the record would never let go! I just had to hear every last drop of that hypnotic groove! And exactly the same applies to Brass C and Movin’!

But I love the 12" versions mainly for a DIFFERENT reason. I was really in to DANCING and was always regarded as a great dancer. 8) I never needed drink or drugs - I just got so high on the music! And the best bits of the record for me were always the stripped down PERCUSSION BREAKS. Quite often the 7" would cut the break short or not have it at all! And I NEEDED the full length version to get the full length percussion or instrumental break.

Some of the best breaks for me were:

Fat Larry's Band - LOOKIN FOR LOVE TONIGHT
Ripple - THE BEAT GOES ON
T-Connection - DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO

As I said, they were an absolutely essential part of the record for me, and I needed to OWN every beat in those breaks. And that, fellow members, is why I prefer the 12" over the 7" !!!

Fair comment?

[efunk_adelic]

jazz, i like your comment about hypnotic groove and of course I forgot about one of my other favorite 12" records of all time...
T-Connection

I also like that one all the way thru :)

Patti Brooks - After Dark 12" or LP version is way better than 7" version I must say...