IMPORTANT: Disco Backlash at WMC in Miami - PRESS RELEASE

[martya11]

Ahhhhhhhhhh ... the beauty of the Freedom of Speech! Isn't Amercia wonderful? An example of an abuse of this right is if Bernie decided to step in and not allow others to air their thoughts. Amercia works .. and this forum is a perfect example.



Gays, staights, blacks, whites, hispanics, etc. ... you name it. Disco will continue to live with or without any of us. WHY? Because it is a musical artform which will be with us forever! No one can kill art! Disco music will still be around when all of us are dead and gone.



My old disco television show was a melting pot during the '70s. We had every different kind of person involved. On top of it we taught people to dance in the privacy of their own homes and they turned out visiting the local discos/club and even became dancers on the show. We did not disqualify anyone ... you name it ... we had it! That was the beauty of disco music at the time. It did not exclude anyone. I think that is what bugged the rock and rollers so much. Many of them were suck in the 60s waiting for another Woodstock or the next Vietnam War demonstration. I was a part of that generation .. and actually promoted music during that era ... but disco moved us out of the fear of the end of the world happening anyday ... and gave EVERYONE a big sigh of relief.



Remember ... disco did not go anywhere. It is not buried in some cemetery.



While the world moved on to other music .. disco remained alive and well ... especially in people's hearts.



NO ONE can lay claim to who actually owns disco ... and no one can claim they killed it. WHY? Cause it is alive! Alive and well even at the Winter Music Conference!



Disco lives .... life is grand!



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[Bernie]

On 2002-03-21 08:57, Fantomas wrote:

To Arjan:

Your comment is totally racist. As for Blacks, yes, they probably were the most influential in the Disco scene, specially in the beginning. But you must not forget the Spanish speaking and White contributions (Moroder, Cerrone, and others) made to Disco.

Who forgot? It's common knowledge that Disco and all dance music is a melting pot of many cultures, styles and ideas. That's the beauty of it and the reason why some can't deal with it and have tried for three decades to eradicate it.

As for Disco and gays, Disco was for all and Disco did not evolve because of Gays. On the contrary, Gays adopted this music as their favorite.

"Everybody" who enjoyed good music and the love for life adopted Disco as their favourite music. It makes no difference where they came from, there color, or what they do in their private life. I'm a straight white male and realized early on that the world does not revolve around me. Believe me, in my youth I said horrible things like faggot, nigger... and then one day I woke up.



Hey, your alarm is ringing. Please don't hit the snooze button.

But Disco in the beginning was doing just fine without the overwhelming Gay influence that got a hold of it after 1975.

There were plenty of Funky, groovy, happenning night clubs that did just fine without Gays. There were also plenty of Artists that were not Gay, and most of those in the beginning that pioneer Disco, were not Gay. As a matter of fact, if you want to deal in Facts, I'll deal in facts with you. It was the Gay influence in Disco in the late 70's that brought to its knee.

Blacks, Hispanics and gays were there all along -many just didn't notice or tried to block it out.

The straight establishment found it very difficult...

There you go. You just forgot to add the uptight white straight establishment. They are the ones who have repeatedly tried to snuff Disco and if they had it their way the people behind it as well like you and I.



Sometimes Disco's worst enemies are it's so called fans.

[paul]

Boy, this topic has taken an ugly turn. I really hear ya Bernie about Disco's fans can sometimes be it's worst enemies. I'm curious to know if some of the people in this string partied at the discos in the 70's?

[Fantomas]

I'm very tolerant of anybody's life style.

The only reason I made my original reply to Arjan is because he made that remark that Disco wouldn't have been without Gays---and I find that very amusing.

Bernie was quick to come to his aid. But Bernie himself made "homophobics" remark about the "White-Straight" establishment; in a light less than bright. Bigotry is only accepted, I guess, if directed against Whites. Personally, tolerance is the keyword.

I don't have aproblem with people who are proud of what they are----they should be, Bernie. I, myself, am proud to be Straight and White. Anybody disagree?

[ruoffended]

Disco will always live , im 25 and started like this music at 22, its my personal choice and i have friends in the 20s who do like disco too so what!!!! we makes us partys and have fun!!! let the earth spin like a record baby....RU

[sirius]

OOH! There are some ugly words in this topic.

Seems to be a lot of TONY MANERO´S on this

page!!!

Sexual Liberation means that also Gays should

be liberated in the 70ies...why should only

straights f*** around...have they more rights.? And what about Gays are responsible

for the fall of disco? Weren´t they left

alone with Disco-Sound...until HI-NRG and

House came along? Are Gays perverted...I

don´t want to know, what is happening in

straight beds. Did you hear something about

the pride of the QUEERS in the 90ies?

Don´t be so puritanical like your president!!! I think, there was also a poli-

tical change in the begin of the 80ies in the

U.S.

Remember "Carwash" and "Thank God It´s Friday"...everything is possible. I just love

Disco and this will never-ever end. But I

don´t like TONY MANERO and he should wait

outside the door of the discotheque.

Thank God for all the colors of the world...

for women and gays. Thank God there´s DISCO!

Cosmic Love & Kisses From SIRIUS & DARKTUNES

DISCO SUCKS!...SO SUCK IT!

[Fantomas]

What's wrong with Tony Manero?

[sirius]

Remember Sonny & Cher? "I Got You, Babe"

Cosmic Love & Kisses From SIRIUS & DARKTUNES

[Bernie]

On 2002-03-21 11:12, paul wrote:

Boy, this topic has taken an ugly turn. I really hear ya Bernie about Disco's fans can sometimes be it's worst enemies.

It sure has taken a nasty turn and that is really sad. I am dismayed that there are some that hold such ignorant and homophobic ideals and deep seeded hatred. Disco is from AND for everyone.



Getting back to the original topic...



Is this what's behind the WMC fiasco? I highly doubt it's because the word "Disco" is outdated. There's more to this than meets the eye.

[markydefad]

Bernie, thanks for your beautifully stated rebuttal to the arrogant, rambling homophobic statements expressed by Fantomas.



You saved me a whole lot of time & frustration cause I felt somone, in addition to Jeff, needed to expose that bitter prejudice for what it is.

[NickNack]

On 2002-03-21 13:52, Bernie wrote:

It sure has taken a nasty turn and that is really sad. I am dismayed that there are some that hold such ignorant and homophobic ideals and deep seeded hatred. Disco is from AND for everyone.

Which is why I didn't respond last night and again when I read it this afternoon. I knew where it was going to go, and a lot of us on this board have travelled this road before, right here.

Getting back to the original topic...



Is this what's behind the WMC fiasco? I highly doubt it's because the word "Disco" is outdated. There's more to this than meets the eye.

IMO, yes, but that's the question that needs to be asked of the WMC. Why is upper management so "sensitive" about this word? I doubt they're sensitive about the music and they've shown little for Marty. Still, I would like to hear their side, the "excuse", if you will. Words like nigger, spic, kike, wop, fag and all the other garbage we spit out are not used by rational, thinking, sensitive people. DISCO? Sensitive to DISCO? Give us a f@#$%&* break!



_________________

Life Is a Dance

Nicky

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[Outsider]

I can't believe that after all these years that anyone would still try to condemn disco. I think the "disco sucks" attitude is outdated as well as juvenile. The members of the WMC should be ashamed of themselves. Whether they like it or not, disco has had a major impact on music, and it still does. Look at every dance-oriented artist that has come since. I'll never understand why anyone would have such hatred for disco. Not liking the music is one thing, but attempting to eradicate it is stupid, not to mention pointless. As long as there is interest in it (and there definitely is), disco will live on.



As for who made disco what it is, who cares? One thing that's great about disco is that it accepts people regardless of race, gender, or sexual preference. I'm white and straight, and a rocker on top of that (you see, not all rockers hate disco). Disco is one type of music that really does break down barriers.

[cjanzalone]

as a dj for almost 30 years. will say that disco was not infulenced by the gay scene untill the late 70s. with alex constindinos and the likes putting out high energy flowery early (trance if you will) dance(disco) music. the euro sound killed disco in the mainstream clubs as some djs like me dared to be different. but knowing my limits i always went back to the ojays. blunotes , instant funk and james brown and chic to pack the floor. in the early 70s to 76 KC, fnkadelic, parliment, main ingrediant (cuba gooding sr) and the commodors ruled the dance floor. gays came into the scene in the late 70s as a driving force. nothing wrong with that. hell i spun in a gay club just to play the stuff to a full floor. to call disco a fad in crazy. it was a life style and r&b and euro was the music. like hip hop is a life style and rap isthe music as puff daddy put it. in the 80s disco evolved into the florida freestyle sound and expose , sannon along with the soul sonic force brought the soul funk and latin sound sound back to the dance floor while the pat crowley euro style gay stuff went underground.straight and gays black and white all had a part in creating what we now called dance music.now the late 90s and y2k is not a fad ? PLEASE. will these 19 to 20 something ravers rave when their 35. like disco the rave life and electronic music will fade away when they stop doing drugs, get a serious job get married or die from aids.what will the next lifestyle(fad be)i cant wait to see and hear it . to change the subject,it seems that the new core of djs are some inovators of the music industry.in las vegas when i go to the clubs the djs i meet are interested inwhat i have done. the first thing they say is " are you selling any of your old 70 and 80s beats"?? they need then to be creative. if these dj producers who sign with major lables only knew more about the business. in the 60s and 70s record companies had 2 sets of books. one for them and one for the band to see. i know of many many lables that pressed thousands of records and sold them that the bands never knew about.i know i worked for one of them and you bet it happens today.did you ever wonder why a band has 5 top 5 records and still owes money heheheheheheheh. its business baby .vulgar as it may seen its a business. the record business

[Funky Dude]

On 2002-03-21 08:57, Fantomas wrote:

To Arjan:

Your comment is totally racist. As for Blacks, yes, they probably were the most influential in the Disco scene, specially in the beginning. But you must not forget the Spanish speaking and White contributions (Moroder, Cerrone, and others) made to Disco.

Boy, this topic has taken an ugly turn. I really hear ya Bernie about Disco's fans can sometimes be it's worst enemies. I'm curious to know if some of the people in this string partied at the discos in the 70's?

Now that Fantomas has said that, I somehow feel like I said somthing bad in my comment replying to arjan's post. Please tell me if I also said something bad in my post because if I had I'm very sorry. I don't want to be a public enemy to this board.



Basically what I was saying in my post is that rock'n'roll also came from R&B and if it weren't for R&B rock'n'roll may not exist. And as for disco, from what I can understand it evolved from a variety of genres such as:

R&B

funk

latin

soul

jazz

and even a little bit of rock'n'roll

and a few other genres



As for my comments about country and jazz, I was trying to be funny. If my jokes are sick please tell me as well.



I just hope this topic discussion doesn't get any uglier than it already has been because it would be really sad if we have people on the board hating each other.

[JussiK]

All around the world - with the possible exeption of Miami or maybe the rest of the USA too - the word Disco is used with respect by the most influental music generators. Like it or not, Djs are the new superstars. Wake up America to the sound the world is grooving to. And there's more to that than just Kylie..