The most difficult disco record to find?

[thunderbals]

Originally Posted by JussiK

Places like Barcelona and Paris where I have witnessed young people ( as opposed to old farts) grooving to 70's disco en masse recently...to think all those dancers were from behind the former iron curtain...!

yeah I have to agree. Will not move to Russia cause someone digs a Bee Gees plate there while we got all the young folks on the floor going madhouse over the best synth-, cosmic and eurodisco right here. The sound perfectly fits into any modern electronic set, thank god we do not have to declare such nights as Disco Night. (: love, c

[discolady75]

I'll always insist about Djs and contents of the parties
Young people are not stupid, as we clearly dont need stupid collectors nodding their head "yes that s nice" while staying on the bar, stuck on the wall, NOT DANCING, analyzing each beats, synths sounds, "oh wow i dont have that record !", "hmm that must be Moroder production", "oh yes, that mystery thing that i saw going craze on Ebay !!!" etc...

if djs play the same old thing, it will be maybe a commercial success, for the same people, the mainstream ones who dont care on the music really, and want to feel comfortable. This is for the place where there s no artistic direction, with a clear maximum money objective.

if they do it in a common way on a common format (that s really frightenning to see all those guys playing with laptops, cds, mp3) with no work of mixing, seguing, etc... they like to change the mood with eclectic sounds (funk, pop, 60s, punk, minimal techno) and please others with a digital jukebox under they hands... what s the fuck do they invite me?? I prefer to see a guy with commercial 7" (singing in the rain, magnolia forever, donna summer s hits, haut les mains, abba, even mickael jackson 's PYT, or Prince stuff..) than getting myself annoyed with a "push-button" dj.

Anyone, from 5 to 77 is impressed, touched by someone brought with passion, talent, new ideas, sincerity and authenticity that will sort any real ARTIST from the mass of fake, so-called, superficial players. the trouble today is that people dont want to do any efforts.

[Marcio**]

Hello guys:
The Archies fans on web say that Ron Dante recorded a disco version of ''Sugar Sugar'' in 1975 for RCA label produced by Barry Manilow.
I think it is very rare !

[Rab]

Originally Posted by STEPHEN L FREEMAN; 135858)

In 1980, DiscoNet Remix Service released an edit of "Lay All Your Love On Me", but didn't get permission from Atlantic Records, nor Polar Music, to do so. (Even though the label stated that they did.) ABBA sued DiscoNet and they were ordered to surrender all copies that hadn't been sold yet (about 200, I think) and they were held in the basement of a NYC courthouse for years. (Luckily, I'd bought the last copy that the South Florida Record Pool received. PHEW!) During the early 80's, original press copies went for about $150.00+

This is interesting because disconet was strictly in the business of promotion---at least they used to state that. They would only sell to D.J.'s. It seems unusual that ABBA with its big name label would go after some little outfit like disconet, whom would take the original, and often mix it, and enhance it for the artists benefit, then sell it to D.J.'s that would play it in a club, or maybe on the radio, and then people would hear it and want to buy it, which would be the original. After all, unless it was a serious collector, the prospective buyer wouldn't question "where the remix they heard in the club came from?", more likely they would go out to Strawberries or one of the other chains that was popular around 1980-82 and purchase the commercial copy, thus ABBA would be making a profit without paying disconet for its marketing.

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Originally Posted by Rab

This is interesting because disconet was strictly in the business of promotion---at least they used to state that. They would only sell to D.J.'s. It seems unusual that ABBA with its big name label would go after some little outfit like disconet, whom would take the original, and often mix it, and enhance it for the artists benefit, then sell it to D.J.'s that would play it in a club, or maybe on the radio, and then people would hear it and want to buy it, which would be the original. After all, unless it was a serious collector, the prospective buyer wouldn't question "where the remix they heard in the club came from?", more likely they would go out to Strawberries or one of the other chains that was popular around 1980-82 and purchase the commercial copy, thus ABBA would be making a profit without paying disconet for its marketing.

What you've stated is the basis for Remix Services. But... You CAN'T take another person's property and sell it to make money for yourself. Period. ABBA wasn't the only group to go after the less scrupulous Services. Just the most famous. For example, Mercury went after Direct Hit, for the Crytal Waters mix. Rythm Stick got nailed for something that I just don't remember, right now. At Hot Tracks we had our permission get pulled on a song, after Mastering! So we had to replace the song and remaster the side, before releasing it. Lightspeed Discs was put out of business for Lime's "Unexpected Lovers" and Bobby O's "Whisper To A Scream". (Bobby was a fanatic about bootlegging and sampling!)

And the DiscoNet version was unique enough, with an edited hook that's engrained in Dance Mix History, for people to want THAT one. Not the LP version. I'd get requests for "the DiscoNet of the Abba song", as often as I got them for "the DiscoNet of Viola Wills". People were paying more attention than you give them credit for. It's why Motown pulled the Bonnie Pointer LP and re-released it with the remix of "Heaven Must Have Sent You". People danced to the 12" in the clubs and got a completely different song on the LP. They were returning copies by the truckload.

Also, DiscoNet wasn't "strictly" in the business of promotion. They had 3 commercial labels. Importe/12, Sugarscoop and Dance-Sing Records.

For a few years, in the 90's, Services simply "taking" Top-20 tracks and using them on their issues, made it very hard for us at Hot Tracks, Ultimix and the other Services who played-by-the-rules, to get permissions to remix and release major artists.

[Rab]

Originally Posted by STEPHEN L FREEMAN

What you've stated is the basis for Remix Services. But... You CAN'T take another person's property and sell it to make money for yourself. Period. ABBA wasn't the only group to go after the less scrupulous Services. Just the most famous. For example, Mercury went after Direct Hit, for the Crytal Waters mix. Rythm Stick got nailed for something that I just don't remember, right now. At Hot Tracks we had our permission get pulled on a song, after Mastering! So we had to replace the song and remaster the side, before releasing it. Lightspeed Discs was put out of business for Lime's "Unexpected Lovers" and Bobby O's "Whisper To A Scream". (Bobby was a fanatic about bootlegging and sampling!)

And the DiscoNet version was unique enough, with an edited hook that's engrained in Dance Mix History, for people to want THAT one. Not the LP version. I'd get requests for "the DiscoNet of the Abba song", as often as I got them for "the DiscoNet of Viola Wills". People were paying more attention than you give them credit for. It's why Motown pulled the Bonnie Pointer LP and re-released it with the remix of "Heaven Must Have Sent You". People danced to the 12" in the clubs and got a completely different song on the LP. They were returning copies by the truckload.

Also, DiscoNet wasn't "strictly" in the business of promotion. They had 3 commercial labels. Importe/12, Sugarscoop and Dance-Sing Records.

For a few years, in the 90's, Services simply "taking" Top-20 tracks and using them on their issues, made it very hard for us at Hot Tracks, Ultimix and the other Services who played-by-the-rules, to get permissions to remix and release major artists.

I can't imagine Disconet even making that much money. I really liked the way they used to package their 12" singles though. It had durable plastic sleeve encased inside the jacket. I had a whole collection of disconets, including the ABBA song, and my sister dumped water all over them. I didn't know it, so eventually they got kind of moldy. This happened back around 1982, and I haven't played most of those records since.

I can't imagine record companies chasing after anyone today for pirating old dead disco music from the late 70's? Why is that so many of these rap/hip hop songs are stealing the riffs from so many of those old hits and getting away with it? They are making a hell of alot more money than disconet ever did I bet? What about Limewire, and some of these others? Do you remember how Warner Bros dumped so many of these artists because they weren't selling? Remember Madeline Kane, Gino Soccio, Love Deluxe, ...God, there are too many to name. So many disco artists were on big names like Warner Bros, MCA, Epic, Columbia, UA, Polydor, and then the 80's came and they were all on these obscure generic labels that nobody ever heard of?

[STEPHEN L FREEMAN]

Originally Posted by Rab

I can't imagine record companies chasing after anyone today for pirating old dead disco music from the late 70's? Why is that so many of these rap/hip hop songs are stealing the riffs from so many of those old hits and getting away with it?

The Hi-NRG House, and R&B acts that are associated, in any way, with major labels, are lisencing the loops. It's not that expensive, anymore. And if they don't, and the record goes BIG, the original Artists, or Producers will pop-up and ask for their share. And they'll get it...

Originally Posted by Rab

Do you remember how Warner Bros dumped so many of these artists because they weren't selling? Remember Madeline Kane, Gino Soccio, Love Deluxe, ...God, there are too many to name. So many disco artists were on big names like Warner Bros, MCA, Epic, Columbia, UA, Polydor, and then the 80's came and they were all on these obscure generic labels that nobody ever heard of?

Ahhh... Every act you mentioned had been lisenced by Warner, from another country. Madleen from CBS-France. Love Deluxe from Polydor-UK, etc... They didn't have recording deals with Warner. Warner just had the North-American rights to those LPs, for a specified period of time. When Madleen's recording-deal with CBS-France ran-out, she signed with TSR in the US.

This is what DiscoNet and LightSpeed, etc... tried to use as a way around the issue. They'd state on their labels that the song was "courtesy of Matra Records, Canada", or "courtesy of Record Shack Records, UK". But, since the Remix Service was releasing their product in the US, they had to get the permission from the company who held the US, or North American rights. Such as TSR Records for 'Lime'. Or MEGA Records for 'Michael Brown'.

Finally, the labels didn't dump the Disco acts because they weren't selling. Had they focused on their successful acts and researched the new ones...not dropping a fortune on every song that came their way with a four-on-the-floor kickdrum, some strings and a wailing vocalist...and pressed rediculously large amounts of vinyl...they wouldn't have been hemorraging money by the end of 1979. On a good-note: that bottoming-out of the major labels is what opened the field for all those independent labels of the 80's.

Having a "Disco" hit became a big ego-trip for record labels, in the mid-late 70's. The labels flooded the market with Disco, and it was the labels who jumped on the "Disco Sucks" bandwagon (and REALLY stoked that fire) to get out from under the monster they'd created.

If you really want to understand what happened in the recording industry, overall, in the 70's (including, but not limited to "Disco's" effect on it) get a copy of Fredric Dannen's "Hit Men". It's the most accurate and straight-forward book about the industry, I've ever read.

[dancer5612004]

Originally Posted by Rab

What is the most hard to find disco record for avid collectors? I have wanted to own a 12" of "Whistle Bump" by Deodato for the longest time. So few on ebay, and seems when this song was out way back when nobody really liked it that much?

This appears to be really focused on 12" vinyl, and I'm actually looking for Midnight Rythym "Workin and Slavin (I Need Love)", Kongas "Gimme Some Lovin", both on regular albums, and possibly SUN, SUN, SUN by Jakki, I think on 12". I have EXPRESS YOURSELF by New York Community Choir on 12", but it's hard to find on cd. The SPACE album with Magic Fly I lost, and can probably get it at their website, but Im too lazy for it. Finger Lickin Good by Dennis Coffey, do I have his name right, is difficult to find for me, and so is HOLLYWOOD HOT by 11th hour. I like some of that cheesy soul disco! There were several versions of the BUS STOP, but I think they were on 45. "Here We Go Again" by People's Choice I would like to find on cd, I have the album, with Movin In All Directions and Jam Jam, All Night Long, great stuff.

[Graham_Start]

Originally Posted by dancer5612004

Midnight Rythym "Workin and Slavin (I Need Love)"

I see this one all the time... it shouldn't be too hard to find.

Originally Posted by dancer5612004

SUN, SUN, SUN by Jakki, I think on 12".

The 12" is the one you want, and both promo and commercial copies (which I think have different songs by other artists on the flip) go for a lot of money now. I paid $50 for mine several years ago. The LP (credited to Johnnymelfi, not Ja-Kki) can be had for less, but it just has the first 4 minutes of the 12". The 7" is also worth owning: surprisingly, it has better sound quality than the LP or 12", and part 1 goes on for a bit longer than the LP or 12" version.

[needlefingers]

Originally Posted by dancer5612004

I have EXPRESS YOURSELF by New York Community Choir on 12", but it's hard to find on cd.

It's available on Big 12 Inches: Groovin' You.

Big 12 Inches Groovin' You - Various Artists (CD) DiscoMusic.com

[dancer5612004]

Originally Posted by Graham_Start

I see this one all the time... it shouldn't be too hard to find.




The 12" is the one you want, and both promo and commercial copies (which I think have different songs by other artists on the flip) go for a lot of money now. I paid $50 for mine several years ago. The LP (credited to Johnnymelfi, not Ja-Kki) can be had for less, but it just has the first 4 minutes of the 12". The 7" is also worth owning: surprisingly, it has better sound quality than the LP or 12", and part 1 goes on for a bit longer than the LP or 12" version.

See it all the time where??

YOUTUBE had a version of Jakki SUN SUN SUN, thank god!

[dancer5612004]

Originally Posted by needlefingers

It's available on Big 12 Inches: Groovin' You.

Big 12 Inches Groovin' You - Various Artists (CD) DiscoMusic.com

THANKS, but it seems they only have seller items right now, and I had one bad experiance with sellers awhile back. I'll wait til amazon. has it available, or look for it elsewhere.

[Graham_Start]

Originally Posted by dancer5612004

See it all the time where??

Midnight Rhythm? Seems to be at every place I go that has any significant amount of disco. I have the album and the 12" (same mix, I think) and neither cost me much money.

[dancer5612004]

Originally Posted by Graham_Start

Midnight Rhythm? Seems to be at every place I go that has any significant amount of disco. I have the album and the 12" (same mix, I think) and neither cost me much money.

LUCKY. I actually had this album at one time, but its a long story. I remember playing it though, and it sounded great over big speakers. This song coincided with my Arpeggio phase, and the electro break resembled alot the same strategy. Hey, why dont you post this on YOUTUBE???

[JussiK]

Spring is almost here and still no sign of Chris Craft's Discosmic Sinfonia. But is it worth endlessly searching for?