The most difficult disco record to find?

[Giovanni]

Originally Posted by gvtaylor

I just wondered if anybody has got, or ever seen a copy of Moment of Truth : "So Much For Love"? This been the first 12" single ever, Tom Moulton pressed up a handful of copies only to hand out to DJ's in New York for feedback/reaction (test pressing only, late74/early75).

The original release on Roulette is probably impossible to find. I am not sure that vinyl pressings of this exist, I think that only acetates were done (if were done....)
On the other hand this is a quite common find on the Salsoul pressing. Two releases exist of the Salsoul 12", the dj promo with an instrumental version on the flip and a commercial with "Helplessy". [/quote]

Originally Posted by gvtaylor

He also had pressed just before this 12" a 10" of "I'll Be Holding On" by Al Downing, first 10" single (due to the fact that they had run out of 7" plates). This must be the rarest piece, as there was only one copy probably pressed for test purposes!

I am not sure of this too! Tom did a disco mix but it was on a 7".

There are many versions of these first days of the 12 singles, but they are often different depending on who is the storyteller

[markydefad]

Originally Posted by hoellihozb

sylvia striplins original LP on uno melodic!

Funny I found this LP at Amoeba Records on Saturday--didnt buy it, cause I also found a CD with her song 'Give Me Your Love" on it. I've read a lot about this song here over the years. It's on some disco compilation (fron Germany I think)...I was sorta underwhelmed when I heard it. Maybe it grows on ya? :roll:

[Giovanni]

The Sylvia Striplin album has been recently reissued !!!
The original edition is very very difficult to find.

By the way, "Give me your love" too has been recently reissued (identical to the original yellow label). Some genius sells these reissues on Ebay for 50-100 bucks each and some super super genius buy them too !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUINNY]

Originally Posted by Giovanni

By the way, "Give me your love" too has been recently reissued (identical to the original yellow label). Some genius sells these reissues on Ebay for 50-100 bucks each and some super super genius buy them too !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm glad I'm not a super super genius. :lol:

But seriously, what makes people dig and dig and dig for records that are likely to be non existent? Is it the digging that turns 'em on, or the ownership that makes 'em feel special, or what?
Say there was a record of which there was only one known copy. How are you going to get any real enjoyment out of owning that? You'd probably only play it once (if at all) 'cos it would have cost you a fortune, you're not likely to share it with anyone ('cos of the risk of damage or being stolen) and you're hardly likely to do anything with it, but put it in some special container and take it out to admire every once in a while. O.K. it may go up in value, so you may be able to sell it at a profit, but you can't even rely on that 'cos it may find a reissue ('cos a second one's been found) that'll devalue it and/or any natural collectors for it will eventually die. I somehow doubt that collectable records today will keep their kudos forever. They are not necessarily 'works of art' that'll transcend time.
Record collectors aren't necessarily music lovers, are they?

[Graham_Start]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

But seriously, what makes people dig and dig and dig for records that are likely to be non existent? Is it the digging that turns 'em on, or the ownership that makes 'em feel special, or what?

You know how it is. The chase is better than the catch. I used to fall into this trap a lot, but I'm getting better.

Record collectors aren't necessarily music lovers, are they?

Bingo!

[Pete B]

I think most record collectors at least start out as music lovers. Sometimes IMO they can end up as stamp collectors, buying very expensive original issues of records they already have. However, I wouldn't dismiss those who put more time into aquiring records than I would as fools, they will surely turn up some good stuff for themselves.

[originalbigm]

Originally Posted by Pete B

I think most record collectors at least start out as music lovers. Sometimes IMO they can end up as stamp collectors, buying very expensive original issues of records they already have. However, I wouldn't dismiss those who put more time into aquiring records than I would as fools, they will surely turn up some good stuff for themselves.

I have to agree with your sentiments.You can't paint all collectors with a broad brush.I know in my case I've elected to treat this as a hobby as I do have a base on which to build and my object is to acquire and catalogue a comprehensive collection of disco music covering the decade from 1972-1982 strictly for my enjoyment. As to why someone wants to own the only copy of a record is no different than why someone wants to own a Honer Wagner baseball card which is not a work of art but only one known copy exists.Maybe it completes the collection or adds to the value. We all want to have something that no one else or only a few have.It's called ego.Who cares what it's worth.If you can afford it and the demand drives the price up so be it.That's what the free enterprise system is all about.Savoir Faire.One man's trash is another man's treasure.So what if a record collector is not a music lover does that not give him the right to collect records he feels might profit him in someway or another.Since when did profit become a dirty word in North America.Because I personally might not want to pay X amount for a given record I don't think I should be critiquing the one who does.So what if it's a reissue.If I don't have the original and need to have that song in my collection then a reissue IMO is better than not having the record at all.

[QUINNY]

Don't ya think it's a kinda (ugly) cynicism, to collect something merely for it's perceived value, with no feelings at all for the intrinsic qualities it may have, or an object's true function? Music has one main purpose in life..to give pleasure to the listener through its ability to communicate with him or her.
I find the denial of this and the pursuit of records just for their status or value, kind of ........... :cry:

[Graham_Start]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

Don't ya think it's a kinda (ugly) cynicism, to collect something merely for it's perceived value, with no feelings at all for the intrinsic qualities it may have, or an object's true function?

Ugly cynicism... or just capitalism?

[originalbigm]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

Don't ya think it's a kinda (ugly) cynicism, to collect something merely for it's perceived value, with no feelings at all for the intrinsic qualities it may have, or an object's true function? Music has one main purpose in life..to give pleasure to the listener through its ability to communicate with him or her.
I find the denial of this and the pursuit of records just for their status or value, kind of ........... :cry:

Likewise in the art world where I'm sure that there are individuals who collect art for the monetary value and opportunity to make money rather than the appreciation of it's artistic value and deeper meanings.Yes Quinny I agree,there are many things that may appear crass or unjust in a free world.But as your countryman Churchill I believe once said.Democracy(and it's freedoms) is not perfect but it's the best system we've come up with so far.Something to that effect.

[StuckIn1979]

I think the obsession with collecting some of these old tunes is not based just on really loving the song, I think its also about being nostalgic and really digging this time period. It was an upbeat, great time to be alive.

[Rab]

[quote="Graham_Start"]

Originally Posted by QUINNY

But seriously, what makes people dig and dig and dig for records that are likely to be non existent? Is it the digging that turns 'em on, or the ownership that makes 'em feel special, or what?

You know how it is. The chase is better than the catch. I used to fall into this trap a lot, but I'm getting better.

I wonder how many collectors have turned their hobby into an obsession. I know on several occasions I have gone overboard with collecting music. For example I will already have a copy of a record I really like, but will buy a second and even a third copy if I really like it. I think to myself, eventually, it will be impossible to find an old 12" in mint condition, so I rationalize buying it. I now have an entire room full of music, which if I eliminated all the dups, my entire collection would probably go down by about 20%.

[hoellihozb]

@quinny

In my oppinion, these people, who pay hundreds of dollars for 1 record are bringing some kind of excitement into record-collecting.
Dont forget that...

Its exciting for people who bought cheap records for years (like you), when they can see, how popular (and often expensive) some records get in time...

Its simply interesting, and funny!


Dont you smile when you see a record at ebay for 50 dollars, you bought for 5???

But I am sure, a Recordcollector will love music the same way, like a pure Musiclover.

God praise the Record / CD / DVD, and the collectors, who keep BUYING, and not just sharing Mp3s!

stephan

[MixMasterMax]

I see an underlying theme developing in this thread which needs urgent attention . I just want the collectors to know that you have an outlet to make you feel better about what you are doing. I am here for you :D . As I am a music lover and not directly involved with collecting, i can give you an onest and unbiased opinion of your purchases. I would love to take a listen to some of these obscure tracks I see listed all over this forum. Purely for the psychological benefits it will offer to the Compulsive/Addictive/Insatiable Collector.

Regards,
AKA - DiscoShrink

[StuckIn1979]

What an interesting thread. I have to admit, finding a record I thought I would never own is quite exhilirating. The "catch makes the chase" worth it.