Disco...The Cheesiest music ever?

QUINNY · #31 April 17th, 2008, 03:23 AM

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So what's your definition of the term 'cheesy' then?

I'm just wondering because I always associate cheesy music with
a) schmaltz and
b) a production solely made for a quick buck by exploiting the popularity of a current hit or popular music style without really putting any effort into it.
So even songs I hear for the first time and that never were a commercial success can sound cheesy to me.

So 99% of all House music is cheesy!

Certainly that much of it had little to no effort put into it.

My definition of Cheesy would be more or less the same, but I'd add the word kitsch to the equation. However, some records, despite passing all the obvious tests, just sound cheesy. To my (English) ears, at least 50% of what came out of the USA and Europe during the Disco years sounded somewhat cheesy, some of it beyond belief. Hence my loathing for a lotta discs that pass for 'classics' with many of the people who inhabit this site. We all have a cross to bear.

BTW: In case anyone didn't get my little piece of irony, when I wrote,

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Right now, as I type, ironically I'm listening to that ultra cheesy track Shame by Evelyn 'Champagne' King...sigh!

I meant the opposite. I've seen Shame quoted as being cheesy many a time and there's no denying it's one of maybe a dozen tracks that ends up on every other Disco themed compilation CD. It has also been played to death, BUT it's still one of the best.

RetroRuss · #32 April 17th, 2008, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by QUINNY

I meant the opposite. I've seen Shame quoted as being cheesy many a time and there's no denying it's one of maybe a dozen tracks that ends up on every other Disco themed compilation CD. It has also been played to death, BUT it's still one of the best.

I thought so & was going to post something to say that you were being ironic that early this morning - except one of my cats threw up - so had to clear up after the little creature! On that track - I have acqured several copies of the 12" as I have bought or been given record collections over the years. It was (well certainly in the UK) a mainstay in everyone's collection - I remember when I first heard it in 1977 in Samantha's in Old Burlington Street, London W1!!

JussiK · #33 April 17th, 2008, 08:42 AM

I don't understand, honestly...how could a track like "Shame" by Evelyn Champagne King be called "cheesy"? Must be something about the lyrics that offends people, as the music and the singing certainly are top notch. And anyway, the lyrics aren't "cheesy", they are classic girl group stuff. You don't call 60's girl groups cheesy, do you, and Evelyn kinda directly comes from there.
Cheesy in a good way: Susana Estrada, Ja-Fe, Jeannette and hundreds of other sexy eurodisco sirens. Love those. Cheesy in a bad way: Eurovision song contest music, and of course country and western. Hate those.

glenngrivera · #34 April 17th, 2008, 02:12 PM

It is funny...I have spent so much time convincing myself that what I love is important. It has finally sunk it because now I grow for myself and not others. Being proud of what I stand for.

Disco music is very powerful for me - I love the energy I get from it and the feel of love and even though it may appear that many projects are formulated, isn't most music genres extended catalogues anyway?

I do not "bonk" on today’s music - because I remember what a time I had defending disco music as a teenager to hardcore rock lovers and so on... It just is not what I am looking to hear - do I think it is lesser than? No. It is just different. When we start to break down music is when our own flaws show - even in our music.

This discussion is wonderful - but always reminds me that adoring it is the only way to love it.

Thanks, all!

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SandraDee · #35 April 17th, 2008, 02:24 PM

I don't know what cheese is like as I've never eaten any (could never eat anything that smells that bad!

); most people I know think that cheese is wonderful so it isn't really a bad thing I gather.

SandraDee · #36 April 17th, 2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayna

Even though she has one of the WORST attitudes of any artist in the business

That's an interesting bit of gossip Dayna! I often wonder what artists are like as people. I know that many producers have reputations for being meglomaniacs & unpleasant but you rarely hear of singers/musicians being not nice. I tend to not believe alot of stuff I hear about mega acts like Diana Ross & Barbra Steisand because alot of people are jealous of their success but I do believe someone like you who genuinely knows many acts & has no dubious motives.

Keep the gossip coming girl, I love it!

Dayna · #37 April 18th, 2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SandraDee

That's an interesting bit of gossip Dayna! I often wonder what artists are like as people. I know that many producers have reputations for being meglomaniacs & unpleasant but you rarely hear of singers/musicians being not nice. I tend to not believe alot of stuff I hear about mega acts like Diana Ross & Barbra Steisand because alot of people are jealous of their success but I do believe someone like you who genuinely knows many acts & has no dubious motives.

Keep the gossip coming girl, I love it!

I never found Diana to have an attitude..
The only time she gets Diva-Roucious is when the sound check goes bad."something techincal"
Or if you undermind her authority during one of her projects..She has a vision and it has to come together or she gets understandibly upset

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Another with an ultra STANK attitude is Anita Baker

..No one wants to work with her..Great talent..Bad vibe..
(But you aint heard that from me cause I aint one to gossip).
"Miss Benita Butrell" In Living Color, use to say that and I would lol

SandraDee · #38 April 19th, 2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayna